Re: [Tagging] [OKFILTER] Re: [OKFILTER] Re: "service" tags in general (for shops)

[Marc Gemis]

What do you mean with digital printing ?

There is offset printing (large press, large volume), will not fit in
a small shop.
The plates for offset can be prepared digitally.

Then there is inkjet printing (large format, posters, on special
materials, signs, packaging, not your typical household inkjet
printer).
The preparation (prepress) for inkjet is only digital AFAIK.

And then you have the old-fashioned ways of printing, where the
preparation for printing is not done digitally.

m. (who works in company developing prepress software for printers).



On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
 wrote:
> 2018-02-27 14:42 GMT+01:00 Johnparis :
>>
>> Yes, it's certainly in general use. And its page marks "shop=printing" as
>> a tagging error.
>>
>
>
> I'd remove this. Although not frequent, there are actually shops that do
> traditional printing (with vintage look etc.)
> e.g. http://www.letterjazz.com/print-studio
>
>
>
>> The shop=printing discussion page explains why that tag isn't a good idea
>> either. Basically the distinction needs to be drawn between wholesale and
>> retail (copyshop) printing.
>
>
>
> shop is retail, it is defined like this. A copyshop is typically about
> digital printing, should not be confused with traditional printing. Maybe
> the latter is the exception and for clarity, it should be made a specific
> tag like shop=traditional_printing or analogue_printing or relief_printing
> (if they offer only this process).
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
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Re: [Tagging] [OKFILTER] Re: [OKFILTER] Re: "service" tags in general (for shops)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2018-02-27 14:42 GMT+01:00 Johnparis :

> Yes, it's certainly in general use. And its page marks "shop=printing" as
> a tagging error.
>
>

I'd remove this. Although not frequent, there are actually shops that do
traditional printing (with vintage look etc.)
e.g. http://www.letterjazz.com/print-studio



The shop=printing discussion page explains why that tag isn't a good idea
> either. Basically the distinction needs to be drawn between wholesale and
> retail (copyshop) printing.
>


shop is retail, it is defined like this. A copyshop is typically about
digital printing, should not be confused with traditional printing. Maybe
the latter is the exception and for clarity, it should be made a specific
tag like shop=traditional_printing or analogue_printing or relief_printing
(if they offer only this process).

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] [OKFILTER] Re: [OKFILTER] Re: "service" tags in general (for shops)

[Marc Gemis]

For industrial size there is the general man_made=works + product = 


m.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Johnparis  wrote:
> Yes, it's certainly in general use. And its page marks "shop=printing" as a
> tagging error.
>
> So I decided to read the documentation about shop vs amenity, and apparently
> some shops are marked as amenities if they are useful for tourists, which I
> guess a pharmacy is and a chemist isn't.
>
> And estate agents are offices not shops. Good.
>
> The shop=printing discussion page explains why that tag isn't a good idea
> either. Basically the distinction needs to be drawn between wholesale and
> retail (copyshop) printing. I'd guess that shop=copy_shop covers the case
> where Martin proposed shop=printing_service. As for the industrial-strength
> version, I don't know.
>
> The shop=copy_shop page also has a fairly large menu of service choices,
> including press, prepress, print, ... I pretty much copied that for the
> (approved) amenity=internet_cafe proposal. Not sure if the tourist interest
> is high enough for internet_cafe to be an amenity rather than a shop (I'd
> say yes), but in any case it was approved as an amenity.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:14 PM, Marc Gemis  wrote:
>>
>> > I ran into the copy_shop proposal, where Harry Wood described them as
>> > "crappy little shops".
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Copy_Shop
>>
>> it's more than a proposal with more than ca 14.500 uses:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcopyshop
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Re: [Tagging] [OKFILTER] Re: [OKFILTER] Re: "service" tags in general (for shops)

[Johnparis]

fyi, I looked at the 100-odd Cartridge World shops around the globe. They
are mostly listed as shops, with the most popular being:

computer 25
stationery 15
printer_ink 9

No ringing endorsement there.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:53 PM, John Freed 
wrote:

> i see several amenity=recycling items with recycling:printer_cartridges.
> I'm guessing, however, that those are recycling centers rather than refill
> shops.
>
> and 69 shop=printer_ink
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Fredrik  wrote:
>
>> On 27/02/2018 14:14, Marc Gemis wrote:
>> >> I ran into the copy_shop proposal, where Harry Wood described them as
>> >> "crappy little shops".
>> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Copy_Shop
>> > it's more than a proposal with more than ca 14.500 uses:
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcopyshop
>> So _probably_ those shop=printshop (66 uses), craft=printshop ( 10 uses)
>> and craft=print_shop (119) should be a shop=copyshop?
>>
>> And the printer_ink/toner/cartridge refill-shops is something else
>> entirely?
>>
>> -- Fredrik
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Re: [Tagging] [OKFILTER] Re: [OKFILTER] Re: "service" tags in general (for shops)

[Johnparis]

Yes, it's certainly in general use. And its page marks "shop=printing" as a
tagging error.

So I decided to read the documentation about shop vs amenity, and
apparently some shops are marked as amenities if they are useful for
tourists, which I guess a pharmacy is and a chemist isn't.

And estate agents are offices not shops. Good.

The shop=printing discussion page explains why that tag isn't a good idea
either. Basically the distinction needs to be drawn between wholesale and
retail (copyshop) printing. I'd guess that shop=copy_shop covers the case
where Martin proposed shop=printing_service. As for the industrial-strength
version, I don't know.

The shop=copy_shop page also has a fairly large menu of service choices,
including press, prepress, print, ... I pretty much copied that for the
(approved) amenity=internet_cafe proposal. Not sure if the tourist interest
is high enough for internet_cafe to be an amenity rather than a shop (I'd
say yes), but in any case it was approved as an amenity.







On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:14 PM, Marc Gemis  wrote:

> > I ran into the copy_shop proposal, where Harry Wood described them as
> > "crappy little shops".
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Copy_Shop
>
> it's more than a proposal with more than ca 14.500 uses:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcopyshop
>
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