Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
2012/4/15 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com Somebody should start an OpenServicesDatabase-project, that would host information about hotels, restaurants, cafes, museums and parks with detailed description of amenities provided along with user reviews. /Markus This would be beautiful. Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
Agreed! +2 D4RK-L3G10N From: Tobias Johansson t...@mensa.se To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel Somebody should start an OpenServicesDatabase-project, that would host information about hotels, restaurants, cafes, museums and parks with detailed description of amenities provided along with user reviews. /Markus Great idea +1 /Thod ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
Somebody should start an OpenServicesDatabase-project, that would host information about hotels, restaurants, cafes, museums and parks with detailed description of amenities provided along with user reviews. /Markus Great idea +1 /Thod ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
Am 13. April 2012 19:44 schrieb John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com: On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Prices on the other hand are also of interest if you look for a hotel, but there is currently no hope to keep this information up to date (and usually there are lots of prices, dependent on the particular room (view/orientation, location, size, ...). To make these reachable from OSM, perhaps the best thing to do would be to use the website tag to point to the hotel's own web site. That's always useful, but it doesn't solve the issue of getting the data for a query like: give me all the hotels cheaper than 66 EUR for a double room with bathroom in this bounding box. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: That's always useful, but it doesn't solve the issue of getting the data for a query like: give me all the hotels cheaper than 66 EUR for a double room with bathroom in this bounding box. I'm not sure why you would attempt such a query with nothing but OSM data. There are multiple websites that specialize in this type of thing and are far better at it than OSM will ever be because they have direct interaction with hotels to handle the volatility in prices, room availability and other considerations that are entirely outside of the scope of OSM. hotels.com, orbitz.com, kayak.com, priceline.com, travelocity.com, etc, etc There could certainly be interaction between these sites and OSM. But OSM is not a travel site and I would never use it as such. Toby ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
I'm not sure why you would attempt such a query with nothing but OSM data. There are multiple websites that specialize in this type of thing and are far better at it than OSM will ever be because they have direct interaction with hotels to handle the volatility in prices, room availability and other considerations that are entirely outside of the scope of OSM. OSM is not a travel site and I would never use it as such. Absolutely correct. We need to be extremely careful not to put volatile info into the OSM database. We would end up with a heap of useless data. We simply do not have the means for maintaining that type of data. Volker Padova, Italy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
Am 15. April 2012 12:22 schrieb Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: I'm not sure why you would attempt such a query with nothing but OSM data. There are multiple websites that specialize in this type of thing and are far better at it than OSM will ever be because they have direct interaction with hotels to handle the volatility in prices, room availability and other considerations that are entirely outside of the scope of OSM. OSM is not a travel site and I would never use it as such. Absolutely correct. We need to be extremely careful not to put volatile info into the OSM database. We would end up with a heap of useless data. We simply do not have the means for maintaining that type of data. I am not really convinced. Entering detailed price information is out of the scope of the main OSM database, I agree. On the other hand OSM is full of volatile information (e.g. people adding road constructions which will be finished in short terms. I also remember a thread on talk-de the other day, where someone complained that another mapper had inserted a road as usable 2 days before it was actually opened). The point is: if there is someone to maintain the data it could be inserted, if instead there is high probability that this data will be left untouched and unused, then don't enter it. Rough pricing information (e.g. price classes like cheap, middle range, expensive, ultra luxurious) will not be outdated any soon. Of course prices get adjusted to inflation, hotels have special offers and the like, but the rough price-range is in the very most of the cases quite stable. Toby mentioned a series of examples for hotel search sites ( hotels.com, orbitz.com, kayak.com, priceline.com, travelocity.com ) but none of them offer their database for download so it's not really an alternative to open data. Basically we would have to get the hotel operators themselves to enter their information into OSM (or into a parallel system that is somehow linked to), and there probably won't be the problem of keeping the data up to date. Anyway, my post up there was to advocate the insertion of the total number of rooms for a hotel, not the prices. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
On 15 April 2012 11:33, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: That's always useful, but it doesn't solve the issue of getting the data for a query like: give me all the hotels cheaper than 66 EUR for a double room with bathroom in this bounding box. I'm not sure why you would attempt such a query with nothing but OSM data. There are multiple websites that specialize in this type of thing and are far better at it than OSM will ever be because they have direct interaction with hotels to handle the volatility in prices, room availability and other considerations that are entirely outside of the scope of OSM. hotels.com, orbitz.com, kayak.com, priceline.com, travelocity.com, etc, etc There could certainly be interaction between these sites and OSM. But OSM is not a travel site and I would never use it as such. Somebody should start an OpenServicesDatabase-project, that would host information about hotels, restaurants, cafes, museums and parks with detailed description of amenities provided along with user reviews. /Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
