Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] generalized survey : proposed wiki update
2014-06-16 0:23 GMT+02:00 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com: survey is hence supposed to exist beside source information having publication date or not, spoke to a local being generally knowledge etc. is it a survey if I go to check in the archives of the municipality what is the correct spelling of a road name? Does name:source=survey help if there are several variants of the same name on different road signs? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] generalized survey : proposed wiki update
Am 15/giu/2014 um 02:40 schrieb David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net: Interestingly, its already contains the recommendation source:name=survey 10 November 2012 - I was not aware of that ! wouldn't it be more interesting in this example what the actual source for the name was (e.g. road sign, spoke to a local, etc.)? A simple survey doesn't tell this. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] generalized survey : proposed wiki update
On 2014-06-15 22:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : Am 15/giu/2014 um 02:40 schrieb David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net: Interestingly, its already contains the recommendation "source:name=survey 10 November 2012" - I was not aware of that ! wouldn't it be more interesting in this example what the actual source for the name was (e.g. road sign, spoke to a local, etc.)? A simple "survey" doesn't tell this. source: is supposed to generalize source:name. In my text, survey helps to avoid making already done verifications, especially because a source publication date is not a verification date. survey can contain the date of dateless sources like visual or knowledge. survey is hence supposed to exist beside source information having publication date or not, "spoke to a local" being generally "knowledge" etc. Isn't it clear enough? should I elaborate? I was expanding a short text much already and I feared not being read. Please make text suggestions (do dos, don't don'ts). Thanks in advance, André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] generalized survey : proposed wiki update
Hi, Following this discussion here is a proposed clarification to Key:source http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source. The goal is to define the word, make date mandatory, use ISO format, define per source tag meaning. Is there any objection or suggestion for changes? *survey* -mm[-dd] (with one blank and an /ISO/ 8601 http://www.google.be/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=3cad=rjauact=8sqi=2ved=0CDAQFjACurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fiso%2Ffr%2Fhome%2Fstandards%2Fiso8601.htmei=X3qZU_CEPNHR4QT34YGwCgusg=AFQjCNHMm5_cA8CzTjEvrWYQc5GZ9K1wLgsig2=m6xdSXuaBGqt6Qlj0tCfTwbvm=bv.68911936,d.bGE format date) can be used within the data of any source.KEY=* or source=* tag to indicate that, on that date, the source(s) of KEY were the most recent and the data was verified to be correct for that KEY. In source=*, survey means the same for all possible (required) keys (even those absent by default), but it can be overridden by survey in some source.KEY tags. survey helps to avoid making already done verifications, especially because a source publication date is not a verification date. survey can contain the date of dateless sources like visual or knowledge. It can help humanly assisted bulk imports. Please update the survey date of what you verify (a substantial time later), even if you don't add survey dates yourself. Suppose an *.osm file is built from an imported source. The map contributors are requested to move/update the map elements to osm.org after verifications such as coordinates. If the *.osm map elements contain a survey value such as source=survey import-date, then a program can find out by checking for an equal or later survey date what map elements have been moved/updated to osm.org and hence build a remaining.osm file containing what remains to be done. A FIXME can be added at import time to already existing osm.org elements to warn about the ongoing import. Cheers, André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] generalized survey : proposed wiki update
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 7:03 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion here is a proposed clarification to Key:source http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source. The goal is to define the word, make date mandatory, use ISO format, define per source tag meaning. Is there any objection or suggestion for changes? OSM doesn't have mandatory tags. We work by consensus and agreement. You can't impose a tagging system on changesets. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] generalized survey : proposed wiki update
Andre, sorry, I support what you are trying but not quite sure you have the proposal ready yet. I cannot post to the Belgium list so assume you see this on tagging ? Can you please give a few examples of how the data would appear ? I think that might clarify it. In particular, how you will datestamp data derived from the wide range of sources likely to been used ? Now, which wiki page do you propose to make this change to ? Is it http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source ? Interestingly, its already contains the recommendation source:name=survey 10 November 2012 - I was not aware of that ! Of course, that recommendation has two problems, the suggested date is a non regular format and sort of implies its only used with source:name= not just source=. Incidentally, I'd avoid the word 'mandatory' if I was you. Why not post the words you propose to add to the wiki page ? eg - Insert a new bullet under How to Use - * source=survey 2014-06-15 to indicate the date this data was know to be current. Alter the existing (second) bullet point to make it show an ISO date format. ...Some discussion text about how use of a date is strongly recommended and what it should be expected to mean David On Sat, 2014-06-14 at 19:03 +0200, André Pirard wrote: Hi, Following this discussion here is a proposed clarification to Key:source. The goal is to define the word, make date mandatory, use ISO format, define per source tag meaning. Is there any objection or suggestion for changes? survey -mm[-dd] (with one blank and an ISO 8601 format date) can be used within the data of any source.KEY=* or source=* tag to indicate that, on that date, the source(s) of KEY were the most recent and the data was verified to be correct for that KEY. In source=*, survey means the same for all possible (required) keys (even those absent by default), but it can be overridden by survey in some source.KEY tags. survey helps to avoid making already done verifications, especially because a source publication date is not a verification date. survey can contain the date of dateless sources like visual or knowledge. It can help humanly assisted bulk imports. Please update the survey date of what you verify (a substantial time later), even if you don't add survey dates yourself. Suppose an *.osm file is built from an imported source. The map contributors are requested to move/update the map elements to osm.org after verifications such as coordinates. If the *.osm map elements contain a survey value such as source=survey import-date, then a program can find out by checking for an equal or later survey date what map elements have been moved/updated to osm.org and hence build a remaining.osm file containing what remains to be done. A FIXME can be added at import time to already existing osm.org elements to warn about the ongoing import. Cheers, André. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
