Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: It is for this reason that I prefer underscores myself. So service=drive_through it is? I think so. Could we also start recording deprecated synonyms on the wiki? In this case, service=drive-through and service=drive_thru should noted. They can then be automatically converted when convenient. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: It is for this reason that I prefer underscores myself. So service=drive_through it is? I think so. Could we also start recording deprecated synonyms on the wiki? In this case, service=drive-through and service=drive_thru should noted. They can then be automatically converted when convenient. For these we can have wiki redirects and also add a small section near the bottom of the page akin to a See also section, but this time for deprecated variations. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 15:46, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'm not aware of any hyphens which are converted into underscores, let alone that this is predominantly the case. And even if it is predominantly man_made=pier power=sub_station A key or a value don't have to be correct grammatical English - they just have to be relatively clear and easy to remember. I strongly suggest always using underscores, never hyphens. the case, that's no reason not to do things correctly in the future. What's the point of converting a hyphen into an underscore? Not having to remember on each case which one it is. +1. Most compelling argument I've read. -- Sean Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
2010/10/17 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:37 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/17 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: This http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22drive+through%22%2C+%22drive-through%22 suggests the popular form is not hyphenated, but two words. OK, interesting, even drive thru wins agains drive-thru: http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22drive+thru%22%2C+%22drive-thru%22ctab=0geo=alldate=allsort=0 cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:04 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/17 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:37 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/17 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: This http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22drive+through%22%2C+%22drive-through%22 suggests the popular form is not hyphenated, but two words. OK, interesting, even drive thru wins agains drive-thru: http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22drive+thru%22%2C+%22drive-thru%22ctab=0geo=alldate=allsort=0 On the other hand, Google trends is completely useless for the purpose of measuring which form is more popular. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'm not aware of any hyphens which are converted into underscores, let alone that this is predominantly the case. And even if it is predominantly man_made=pier power=sub_station A key or a value don't have to be correct grammatical English - they just have to be relatively clear and easy to remember. I strongly suggest always using underscores, never hyphens. the case, that's no reason not to do things correctly in the future. What's the point of converting a hyphen into an underscore? Not having to remember on each case which one it is. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'm not aware of any hyphens which are converted into underscores, let alone that this is predominantly the case. And even if it is predominantly man_made=pier power=sub_station A key or a value don't have to be correct grammatical English - they just have to be relatively clear and easy to remember. I strongly suggest always using underscores, never hyphens. the case, that's no reason not to do things correctly in the future. What's the point of converting a hyphen into an underscore? Not having to remember on each case which one it is. Steve It is for this reason that I prefer underscores myself. So service=drive_through it is? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 10/18/10 7:52 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: It is for this reason that I prefer underscores myself. So service=drive_through it is? that would certainly be my preference. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
2010/10/17 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: be shortened. But it seems that the question about hyphen vs. underscore is not resolved? IMHO it should be drive-through and not drive_through, as the latter is the OSM-form of drive through and AFAIK here it is one term in English and not two. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:37 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/17 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: be shortened. But it seems that the question about hyphen vs. underscore is not resolved? IMHO it should be drive-through and not drive_through, as the latter is the OSM-form of drive through and AFAIK here it is one term in English and not two. This http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22drive+through%22%2C+%22drive-through%22 suggests the popular form is not hyphenated, but two words. Please can we maintain the customary underscore to join words in values, as found in motorway_link, level_crossing, kent_carriage_gap. name=value has long been an exception to joining words with _ in values. I don't suggest changing that. And if service=drive_thru is to be revised, perhaps drive_thru=yes/no from Map Features should follow the same plan. Also redirecting drive_thru=yes to drive_in seems very wrong. A drive through and a drive in are very different in my experience. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:drive_thruredirect=no ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 10/17/2010 05:40 AM, Richard Weait wrote: Also redirecting drive_thru=yes to drive_in seems very wrong. A drive through and a drive in are very different in my experience. Then there's Sonic, which is a drive-in chain where some locations also have a drive-through. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 17/10/2010 11:40, Richard Weait wrote: And if service=drive_thru is to be revised, perhaps drive_thru=yes/no from Map Features should follow the same plan. Also redirecting drive_thru=yes to drive_in seems very wrong. A drive through and a drive in are very different in my experience. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:drive_thruredirect=no Yes, it seems key:drive_thru was recently added to Map Features (and a few other pages), without any proposal or discussion. I agree that it makes sense for it to be consistent spelling with service=drive-through / service=drive_through. And it is different thing to key:drive_in, so it should have a separate page. I'm not too fussed whether it has a hyphen or an underscore, so long as one is agreed upon. FWIW the Wikipedia article uses a hyphen, as do a couple of dictionaries I checked. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 11 April 2010 17:49:15 BST 1010, John Smith deltafoxtrot256 at gmail.com wrote: On 12 April 2010 02:33, Anthony osm at inbox.org wrote: Now, if we really want to start a flame war, maybe I should ask whether or not to include bicycle=no :). While your comment is tongue in cheek, most drive throughs have height/width restrictions and usually don't allow towed vehicles to be taken through either, not sure if anyone has come up with suitable tagging for this. Actually, a local fast-food chain out in Portland changed its policy about a year ago and now welcomes (and markets to) bicyclists to use its drive-through lanes. http://bikeportland.org/2009/08/14/burgerville-bikes-now-welcome-in-all-drive-thrus/ Ed Hillsman___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Ed Hillsman ehills...@tampabay.rr.comwrote: Actually, a local fast-food chain out in Portland changed its policy about a year ago and now welcomes (and markets to) bicyclists to use its drive-through lanes. Portland is, well, different. Let's hope we can learn to share the road so it's safe to spread elsewhere. -- Bill n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 25 April 2010 05:40, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Ed Hillsman ehills...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Actually, a local fast-food chain out in Portland changed its policy about a year ago and now welcomes (and markets to) bicyclists to use its drive-through lanes. Portland is, well, different. Let's hope we can learn to share the road so it's safe to spread elsewhere. I a lot of places only accept cars because kids on bikes waste the time of people serving the food. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 12 April 2010 22:44, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: If you want to be consistent, use underscores not hyphens, eg service=drive_through I still vote for drive-through (or, alternatively, drive-thru). I've never seen anyone call one a drive_through. I see no value in consistency if it means being consistently wrong. I'm talking consistency with almost every other OSM tag, OSM tagging predominantly converts spaces and hyphens to underscores. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:41 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 12 April 2010 22:44, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: If you want to be consistent, use underscores not hyphens, eg service=drive_through I still vote for drive-through (or, alternatively, drive-thru). I've never seen anyone call one a drive_through. I see no value in consistency if it means being consistently wrong. I'm talking consistency with almost every other OSM tag, OSM tagging predominantly converts spaces and hyphens to underscores. +1 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:41 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 12 April 2010 22:44, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: If you want to be consistent, use underscores not hyphens, eg service=drive_through I still vote for drive-through (or, alternatively, drive-thru). I've never seen anyone call one a drive_through. I see no value in consistency if it means being consistently wrong. I'm talking consistency with almost every other OSM tag, OSM tagging predominantly converts spaces and hyphens to underscores. I'm not aware of any hyphens which are converted into underscores, let alone that this is predominantly the case. And even if it is predominantly the case, that's no reason not to do things correctly in the future. What's the point of converting a hyphen into an underscore? Well, I now see that there are a few. I still don't understand why, though, and I don't think we should keep doing something which makes no sense just because we've done it in the past. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 13 April 2010 03:48, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: However, with drive-thrus (at least here in Florida), the public does not have any right of access whatsoever. In NSW, Australia everyone has the right to come and knock on your door, it's only trespassing if you ask them to leave and they refuse. I'm guessing access=destination would be a sane default for most locations. I'm not aware of any hyphens which are converted into underscores, let alone that this is predominantly the case. And even if it is predominantly the case, that's no reason not to do things correctly in the future. What's the point of converting a hyphen into an underscore? What is wrong with converting them to underscores specifically, we're not using things in written works, but in a semi-programming type language. as for examples, there is nothing on the Map_Features wiki page that uses a hyphen, eg power=sub_station ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 13 April 2010 03:54, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Well, I now see that there are a few. I still don't understand why, though, and I don't think we should keep doing something which makes no sense just because we've done it in the past. It makes perfect sense if you come from a programming point of view. Using your logic we should start using German as the main language for keywords, since 40% of edits are made by Germans. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:08 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 13 April 2010 03:54, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Well, I now see that there are a few. I still don't understand why, though, and I don't think we should keep doing something which makes no sense just because we've done it in the past. It makes perfect sense if you come from a programming point of view. Depends on the language. If you have a COBOL background you might just be tempted to convert underscores to hyphens :). Using your logic we should start using German as the main language for keywords, since 40% of edits are made by Germans. No. There are probably more OSMers that know basic English than OSMers that know basic German. And we all know where the hyphen key is. Anyway, whatever, if you want to make it drive_through, go ahead. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
Am 12.04.2010 19:54, schrieb Anthony: Well, I now see that there are a few. I still don't understand why, though, and I don't think we should keep doing something which makes no sense just because we've done it in the past. It's not (only) because we've done it in the past, it's just a lot easier to type because you don't have to remember if it was a space, a hyphen or an underscore - you can simply type an underscore and you're done. Regards, ULFL ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I have indeed tagged a couple of these, using highway=service, service=drive-through, access=private, oneway=yes. highway=service + oneway=yes + access=destination Pieren An explicit tag would be better since routers can then let the user filter for fast food restaurants that have drive-throughs and then route them to the selected drive-through entrance appropriately. Whether or not a restaurant (or pharmacy, or bank, or whatever) has a drive-through should be a property of the restaurant and not of the street, IMO. Matthias ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com writes: On 12 April 2010 02:33, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Now, if we really want to start a flame war, maybe I should ask whether or not to include bicycle=no :). While your comment is tongue in cheek, most drive throughs have height/width restrictions and usually don't allow towed vehicles to be taken through either, not sure if anyone has come up with suitable tagging for this. maxheight + maxwidth and maybe a new trailer=no? Matthias ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
2010/4/12 Anthony o...@inbox.org: No. There are probably more OSMers that know basic English than OSMers that know basic German. And we all know where the hyphen key is. Don't know if that's true, but if I see how many complaints there are about the ÖPNV-Karte, which ist just one word, probably introducing more German will not facilitate OSM-development in the rest of the world ;-) Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.netwrote: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I have indeed tagged a couple of these, using highway=service, service=drive-through, access=private, oneway=yes. highway=service + oneway=yes + access=destination Pieren An explicit tag would be better since routers can then let the user filter for fast food restaurants that have drive-throughs and then route them to the selected drive-through entrance appropriately. Whether or not a restaurant (or pharmacy, or bank, or whatever) has a drive-through should be a property of the restaurant and not of the street, IMO. Yeah, but then how do you route the person to the proper entrance? Sounds like a job for a relation, really. But so far I've been too lazy to map that much detail. And I still don't like access=destination. If access=destination means a privately owned road which should only be used for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc then access=destination is already implied by highway=service. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 13 April 2010 06:02, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote: maxheight + maxwidth and maybe a new trailer=no? I was hesitant to use the word 'trailer' since it means different things in different variations of English, and it's not the only thing that could be towed, things like caravans also have multiple meanings differently versions of English. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 13 April 2010 06:12, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if that's true, but if I see how many complaints there are about the ÖPNV-Karte, which ist just one word, probably introducing more German will not facilitate OSM-development in the rest of the world ;-) I wasn't actually serious about using German for primary keys/values, just showing how his logic was flawed. It would make things more difficult for people that don't have special characters on their keyboards, although that doesn't help people with non-latin keyboards. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 04/12/2010 03:13 PM, Anthony wrote: And I still don't like access=destination. If access=destination means a privately owned road which should only be used for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc then access=destination is already implied by highway=service. It doesn’t. It means, “The public has right of access only if this is the only road to your destination.” -Alex Mauer “hawke” signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 04/12/2010 12:48 PM, Anthony wrote: Yeah, that's what I was quoting above. However, with drive-thrus (at least here in Florida), the public does not have any right of access whatsoever. Really? So you can’t actually use a drive-thru in Florida? That seems kind of silly. Why would anyone bother building one if no one is allowed to use it? -Alex Mauer “hawke” signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com writes: On 13 April 2010 06:02, Matthias Julius li...@julius-net.net wrote: maxheight + maxwidth and maybe a new trailer=no? I was hesitant to use the word 'trailer' since it means different things in different variations of English, and it's not the only thing that could be towed, things like caravans also have multiple meanings differently versions of English. And so have other tags in OSM. And there are tags that only have a meaning to someone from UK (or other places). It is just a matter of a proper definition. What is the BE equivalent for a trailer? Matthias ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com writes: Am 12.04.2010 19:54, schrieb Anthony: Well, I now see that there are a few. I still don't understand why, though, and I don't think we should keep doing something which makes no sense just because we've done it in the past. It's not (only) because we've done it in the past, it's just a lot easier to type because you don't have to remember if it was a space, a hyphen or an underscore - you can simply type an underscore and you're done. And this is precisely because we've done it in the past. Matthias ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 04/12/2010 12:48 PM, Anthony wrote: Yeah, that's what I was quoting above. However, with drive-thrus (at least here in Florida), the public does not have any right of access whatsoever. Really? So you can’t actually use a drive-thru in Florida? That seems kind of silly. Why would anyone bother building one if no one is allowed to use it? There is a difference (here, in Florida, I won't speak for other locations) between having a right of access and having an implied permission of access. A right of access cannot be taken away except by the government. Permission to use a drive-through can be taken away by the property owner - the public does not have a right of access. Compare access=yes to access=permissive. The public has an official, legally-enshrined right of access, i.e. it's a right of way. vs. The owner gives general permission for access. Now, note that access=destination uses the term the public has a right of access [in certain circumstances], not the owner gives general permission for access [in certain circumstances]. Drive-thrus are an instance of the latter, not the former. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
For a while now, I've been drawing and tagging drive through lanes at fast food restaurants with highway=service and service=drive_thru (and sometimes also oneway=yes since it seems that the implicit vs. explicit tags debate is not yet done). Does anybody think that this is a good idea that can be adopted by others? Here are some actual examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/37125344 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/39809748 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/30691826 Eugene (osm:seav) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 12 April 2010 01:36, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: For a while now, I've been drawing and tagging drive through lanes at fast food restaurants with highway=service and service=drive_thru (and sometimes also oneway=yes since it seems that the implicit vs. explicit tags debate is No idea if this is a good idea or not, is there a need to tag drive through differently? If there is a good need for a sub-type, you could always add oneway=yes as implied by your tag scheme. Should through be shortened to thru since road isn't abbreviated to Rd etc? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:46 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 12 April 2010 01:36, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: For a while now, I've been drawing and tagging drive through lanes at fast food restaurants with highway=service and service=drive_thru (and sometimes also oneway=yes since it seems that the implicit vs. explicit tags debate is No idea if this is a good idea or not, is there a need to tag drive through differently? Depending on the situation it might affect routing. I have indeed tagged a couple of these, using highway=service, service=drive-through, access=private, oneway=yes. In my experience the oneway is usually explicit, as there are arrows on the ground. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I have indeed tagged a couple of these, using highway=service, service=drive-through, access=private, oneway=yes. highway=service + oneway=yes + access=destination Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 12 April 2010 01:56, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: In my experience the oneway is usually explicit, as there are arrows on the ground. junction=roundabout implies oneway=yes, which is why you don't need to add a oneway tag as well. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 12 April 2010 01:56, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: In my experience the oneway is usually explicit, as there are arrows on the ground. junction=roundabout implies oneway=yes, which is why you don't need to add a oneway tag as well. Ah, I see. Now, if we really want to start a flame war, maybe I should ask whether or not to include bicycle=no :). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 12 April 2010 02:33, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Now, if we really want to start a flame war, maybe I should ask whether or not to include bicycle=no :). While your comment is tongue in cheek, most drive throughs have height/width restrictions and usually don't allow towed vehicles to be taken through either, not sure if anyone has come up with suitable tagging for this. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:01 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: For a while now, I've been drawing and tagging drive through lanes at fast food restaurants with highway=service and service=drive_thru I've done similar, though I've used service=drivethru. Adding oneway=yes can't hurt. Would be nice to see this added to the wiki at least in these locations: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dfast_food As for what exactly is the best tag, FWIW, wikipedia has http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive-through, thus perhaps service=drive-through would be best. Since a couple of people mentioned that service=drive-through is a good value, then I'd go for this value too for consistency. I'd rather get some more people agree to this idea before changing the wiki pages. :-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Is highway=service, service=drive_thru a good idea?
On 12 April 2010 13:49, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Since a couple of people mentioned that service=drive-through is a good value, then I'd go for this value too for consistency. If you want to be consistent, use underscores not hyphens, eg service=drive_through ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
