Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
Thanks for the update of the wiki. I added one of my photos. Best regards, Martin 2013/2/26 Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it: To Martin Vonwald. I've added field_shelter here [1]. Can you upload a picture for it? I haven't one and I don't want to upload a copyrighted picture. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type Thank you Alberto - Viking81 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
Thank you for your photo. I've also updated the animal page [1] and I reused your photo. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal Bye Alberto Thanks for the update of the wiki. I added one of my photos. Best regards, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
To Martin Vonwald. I've added field_shelter here [1]. Can you upload a picture for it? I haven't one and I don't want to upload a copyrighted picture. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type Thank you Alberto - Viking81 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
Hi! I guess too less people care about those. So simply use it and document how you use it in the wiki. regards, Martin 2013/2/23 Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it: Some time has passed but nothing has been changed on the Wiki. So about amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter + (if necessary) access=private, should I create a proposal page and vote it to change [1] and [2] or should I simply update these pages according to what we discussed here? [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal Alberto - Viking81 - Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 13:24:17 +0100 From: Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com Makes sense. So we're back to amenity. Something like amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter + (if necessary) access=private should cover it. Martin 2013/2/6 Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it: I'm against animal=shelter. As emerged in previous discussions, an animal is not a shelter. It exists amenity=animal_shelter [1] for large structures with a staff that takes care of animals and that eventually heals them. On taginfo already exists animal=shelter, and in many cases it has been used to tag what now is tagged with amenity=animal_shelter. The migration is slow because we have to check every single case. For consistency with other shelter's tags [2], I would use: amenity=shelter shelter_type=field_shelter The availability can be specified by access=* tags. After all if you need a shelter against bad weather, you can use also a field shelter, if it is accessible. In this sense consistency with amenity=shelter tag is useful. You should also update page on shelters [2] and on animals [3] when we'll agree on field shelters' tagging. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Danimal_shelter [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal Alberto - Viking81 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
Some time has passed but nothing has been changed on the Wiki. So about amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter + (if necessary) access=private, should I create a proposal page and vote it to change [1] and [2] or should I simply update these pages according to what we discussed here? [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal Alberto - Viking81 - Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 13:24:17 +0100 From: Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com Makes sense. So we're back to amenity. Something like amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter + (if necessary) access=private should cover it. Martin 2013/2/6 Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it: I'm against animal=shelter. As emerged in previous discussions, an animal is not a shelter. It exists amenity=animal_shelter [1] for large structures with a staff that takes care of animals and that eventually heals them. On taginfo already exists animal=shelter, and in many cases it has been used to tag what now is tagged with amenity=animal_shelter. The migration is slow because we have to check every single case. For consistency with other shelter's tags [2], I would use: amenity=shelter shelter_type=field_shelter The availability can be specified by access=* tags. After all if you need a shelter against bad weather, you can use also a field shelter, if it is accessible. In this sense consistency with amenity=shelter tag is useful. You should also update page on shelters [2] and on animals [3] when we'll agree on field shelters' tagging. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Danimal_shelter [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal Alberto - Viking81 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
Are they not stables? Am not sure about amenity, that implies public use. I would suggest building = stable. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/02/2013 7:03 Martin Vonwald (imagic) wrote: Hi, Are there any arguments against using amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter for field shelters (see [1]) for horses? From the wiki: The amenity=shelter tag marks all sorts of small shelters to protect against bad weather conditions. Sounds good to me. Regards, Martin [1] http://www.herefordstables.co.uk/imgs/gallery/10_12ft-field-shelter.jpg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
No, they are definitively not stables. Differently to a stable the horse can go in and out as it pleases. They are usually placed in the field as protection from bad weather. An example of a field shelter can be seen here: [1] You definitively don't call them stables ;-) Martin [1] https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Dde8VPJLW2uFZhGAyS7g_dKwEoVeXBNAtDGqG0BKo9U?feat=directlink 2013/2/6 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: Are they not stables? Am not sure about amenity, that implies public use. I would suggest building = stable. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/02/2013 7:03 Martin Vonwald (imagic) wrote: Hi, Are there any arguments against using amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter for field shelters (see [1]) for horses? From the wiki: The amenity=shelter tag marks all sorts of small shelters to protect against bad weather conditions. Sounds good to me. Regards, Martin [1] http://www.herefordstables.co.uk/imgs/gallery/10_12ft-field-shelter.jpg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
Sorry, but the picture is not a stable. It is, in the UK, a field shelter. The other problem with mapping some of these is they are often designed to be mobile to get round planning rules. The image is a mobile version. There have been previous discussions on this, so you might want to search on the mail group. I'm not sure I'd map this mobile type as it will probably/should move in the next year! Dudley Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Are they not stables? Am not sure about amenity, that implies public use. I would suggest building = stable. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/02/2013 7:03 Martin Vonwald (imagic) wrote: Hi, Are there any arguments against using amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter for field shelters (see [1]) for horses? From the wiki: The amenity=shelter tag marks all sorts of small shelters to protect against bad weather conditions. Sounds good to me. Regards, Martin [1] http://www.herefordstables.co.uk/imgs/gallery/10_12ft-field-shelter.jpg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
2013/2/6 Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com: The other problem with mapping some of these is they are often designed to be mobile to get round planning rules. Correct! I'm not sure I'd map this mobile type as it will probably/should move in the next year! I only think about field shelters that are _not_ mobile. In the UK they are more often - but not always - mobile because of some legal reasons. In other countries they are often fixed. I'm only concerned with the fixed ones. Thanks, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
I would go for building=shelter rather than amenity. Amenity would imply it is available for anyone passing with a horse to take shelter. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/02/2013 9:00 Martin Vonwald wrote: No, they are definitively not stables. Differently to a stable the horse can go in and out as it pleases. They are usually placed in the field as protection from bad weather. An example of a field shelter can be seen here: [1] You definitively don't call them stables ;-) Martin [1] https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Dde8VPJLW2uFZhGAyS7g_dKwEoVeXBNAtDGqG0BKo9U?feat=directlink 2013/2/6 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: Are they not stables? Am not sure about amenity, that implies public use. I would suggest building = stable. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/02/2013 7:03 Martin Vonwald (imagic) wrote: Hi, Are there any arguments against using amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter for field shelters (see [1]) for horses? From the wiki: The amenity=shelter tag marks all sorts of small shelters to protect against bad weather conditions. Sounds good to me. Regards, Martin [1] https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Dde8VPJLW2uFZhGAyS7g_dKwEoVeXBNAtDGqG0BKo9U?feat=directlink ___ Tagging mailing list p...@trigpoint.me.uk https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Dde8VPJLW2uFZhGAyS7g_dKwEoVeXBNAtDGqG0BKo9U?feat=directlink ___ Tagging mailing list p...@trigpoint.me.uk https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Dde8VPJLW2uFZhGAyS7g_dKwEoVeXBNAtDGqG0BKo9U?feat=directlink ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
2013/2/6 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: I would go for building=shelter rather than amenity. Amenity would imply it is available for anyone passing with a horse to take shelter. Actually if amenity is not a good choice I would rather go for animal=shelter instead of building=shelter. Maybe the key animal seems to be a good idea for amenities for animals just a thought. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/6 Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com: The other problem with mapping some of these is they are often designed to be mobile to get round planning rules. Correct! I'm not sure I'd map this mobile type as it will probably/should move in the next year! I only think about field shelters that are _not_ mobile. In the UK they are more often - but not always - mobile because of some legal reasons. In other countries they are often fixed. I'm only concerned with the fixed ones. I think the UK ones that are technically mobile aren't necessarily actually moved --- it's just that they have to be moveable within a set period (I think less than 24 hours) if there's a complaint about them. So it may well still make sense to map them. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
2013/2/6 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: I would go for building=shelter rather than amenity. Amenity would imply it is available for anyone passing with a horse to take shelter. I think this would put more implication into amenity than what it practically has in OSM (see e.g. amenity=parking, access=private or amenity=prison or ...) I'd go for the more specific building=field_shelter (but also building=shelter if you prefer) for the building-tag, or also building=roof if mostly open. amenity=shelter would be OK for me Don't find shelter_type a very good choice (IMHO it would be more logical to use shelter:type, but checking actual usage shelter_type is the established key). Also the value field is not very appealing (sounds as if the field itself is a kind of shelter). So trying to remove ambiguity as much as possible you could tag this: building=field_shelter (or building=roof, layer=1) amenity=shelter shelter_type=field_shelter cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
2013/2/6 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: So trying to remove ambiguity as much as possible you could tag this: building=field_shelter (or building=roof, layer=1) amenity=shelter shelter_type=field_shelter Except for the building, that was my first idea. In my opinion it would fit the description of amenity=shelter in the wiki quite well. Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
-1 for tagging it as amenity=shelter. We also don't do that with carports, garden sheds or dog houses. The object tagged amenity=shelter should imho be intended and usable for sheltering humans against bad weather and be freely accessible. -Martin 2013/2/6 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com 2013/2/6 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: So trying to remove ambiguity as much as possible you could tag this: building=field_shelter (or building=roof, layer=1) amenity=shelter shelter_type=field_shelter Except for the building, that was my first idea. In my opinion it would fit the description of amenity=shelter in the wiki quite well. Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
2013/2/6 Martin Simon grenzde...@gmail.com: -1 for tagging it as amenity=shelter. We also don't do that with carports, garden sheds or dog houses. The object tagged amenity=shelter should imho be intended and usable for sheltering humans against bad weather and be freely accessible. Agree to a certain degree that it should be freely accessible. It depends on the context if this is given for a field shelter. In my experience in areas with low population density you might find shelter in a place like this e.g. when caught by bad weather. As always, its up to the mapper. I wouldn't use amenity when the field shelter is locked up. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
I'm against animal=shelter. As emerged in previous discussions, an animal is not a shelter. It exists amenity=animal_shelter [1] for large structures with a staff that takes care of animals and that eventually heals them. On taginfo already exists animal=shelter, and in many cases it has been used to tag what now is tagged with amenity=animal_shelter. The migration is slow because we have to check every single case. For consistency with other shelter's tags [2], I would use: amenity=shelter shelter_type=field_shelter The availability can be specified by access=* tags. After all if you need a shelter against bad weather, you can use also a field shelter, if it is accessible. In this sense consistency with amenity=shelter tag is useful. You should also update page on shelters [2] and on animals [3] when we'll agree on field shelters' tagging. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Danimal_shelter [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal Alberto - Viking81 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
Makes sense. So we're back to amenity. Something like amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter + (if necessary) access=private should cover it. Martin 2013/2/6 Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it: I'm against animal=shelter. As emerged in previous discussions, an animal is not a shelter. It exists amenity=animal_shelter [1] for large structures with a staff that takes care of animals and that eventually heals them. On taginfo already exists animal=shelter, and in many cases it has been used to tag what now is tagged with amenity=animal_shelter. The migration is slow because we have to check every single case. For consistency with other shelter's tags [2], I would use: amenity=shelter shelter_type=field_shelter The availability can be specified by access=* tags. After all if you need a shelter against bad weather, you can use also a field shelter, if it is accessible. In this sense consistency with amenity=shelter tag is useful. You should also update page on shelters [2] and on animals [3] when we'll agree on field shelters' tagging. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Danimal_shelter [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shelter_type [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal Alberto - Viking81 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?
Hi, Are there any arguments against using amenity=shelter + shelter_type=field_shelter for field shelters (see [1]) for horses? From the wiki: The amenity=shelter tag marks all sorts of small shelters to protect against bad weather conditions. Sounds good to me. Regards, Martin [1] http://www.herefordstables.co.uk/imgs/gallery/10_12ft-field-shelter.jpg___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
