Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Kevin Atkinson ke...@atkinson.dhs.org wrote: If you help me to find the roads mentioned I might be able to give you a little better advice. What do you mean by find the roads mentioned? Also how are you identifying the function of the roads. Is it just local knowledge? Or are you using some official documents? Mostly local knowledge for the more major roads, plus physical characteristics for the minor collectors (for example, they have a centerline while other nearby streets don't). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Making the former secondary would seemingly overload the map with secondaries. But as it is, there are two distinct classes of road marked as tertiary, and it's not always clear which connect between neighborhoods and which serve as main roads inside neighborhoods. Bumping the latter down to residential would also lose information: these are more than your typical residential street, and are intended to collect and distribute neighborhood traffic. Does anyone have any suggestions other than starting the long process to make a new collector classification for the latter? Am I using too few primaries and secondaries? In Germany we use highway=unclassified as minor connection (below tertiary) between two towns and also for the main road in or to a neighborhood. Ciao André ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:16 AM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Making the former secondary would seemingly overload the map with secondaries. But as it is, there are two distinct classes of road marked as tertiary, and it's not always clear which connect between neighborhoods and which serve as main roads inside neighborhoods. Bumping the latter down to residential would also lose information: these are more than your typical residential street, and are intended to collect and distribute neighborhood traffic. Does anyone have any suggestions other than starting the long process to make a new collector classification for the latter? Am I using too few primaries and secondaries? In Germany we use highway=unclassified as minor connection (below tertiary) between two towns and also for the main road in or to a neighborhood. highway=unclassified in my experience is essentially highway=residential outside a residential area. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Kevin Atkinson ke...@atkinson.dhs.org wrote: If you help me to find the roads mentioned I might be able to give you a little better advice. What do you mean by find the roads mentioned? I assume what you gave are street names, correct? Are they in the area you linked to. If so what are the marked as now, etc. Can you give them in the order in which I will find them in the map, either going form North to South or West to East, etc. Also how are you identifying the function of the roads. Is it just local knowledge? Or are you using some official documents? Mostly local knowledge for the more major roads, plus physical characteristics for the minor collectors (for example, they have a centerline while other nearby streets don't). In that case I will leave some of them as residential. I didn't mark every road with a centerline as tertiary in Salt Lake City. Many may be considered local roads and not collectors by the city and/or the state. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Also how are you identifying the function of the roads. Is it just local knowledge? Or are you using some official documents? Mostly local knowledge for the more major roads, plus physical characteristics for the minor collectors (for example, they have a centerline while other nearby streets don't). In that case I will leave some of them as residential. I didn't mark every road with a centerline as tertiary in Salt Lake City. Many may be considered local roads and not collectors by the city and/or the state. I'm arguing that it's useful to distinguish those from minor residential streets. Yes it would be, and I am not disagreeing with that. Did you not also ask for advice on what to do without the extra classification? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?
2010/8/23 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: highway=unclassified in my experience is essentially highway=residential outside a residential area. Not exactly. An 'unclassified' is a road to connect some neighborhoods or towns. It should be a connection between roads of a higher class (tertiary, secondary) but often used only by locals. It could be found in the rural and urban area. A 'residential' is a road only with originating traffic (people living there, delivering service, ...). Nobody who wants to drive from town A to town C, will use a residential road in town B. You will find residential roads in residental, commercial or industrial areas. Ciao André ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote: You will find residential roads in residental, commercial or industrial areas. This seems very wrong to me. Can I get input from others? you may. The categories have strange names and are used differently in different jurisdictions so I map residential roads in residential, commercial and industrial areas and put unclassified roads in rural areas While there would be scope for a greater granularity in the roads classification that would result in great upheaval for mappers ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote: You will find residential roads in residental, commercial or industrial areas. This seems very wrong to me. Can I get input from others? you may. The categories have strange names and are used differently in different jurisdictions so I map residential roads in residential, commercial and industrial areas and put unclassified roads in rural areas While there would be scope for a greater granularity in the roads classification that would result in great upheaval for mappers If that's so, why do we have residential at all? Why not just use unclassified? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: If that's so, why do we have residential at all? Why not just use unclassified? 'residential' was originaly created for residential areas only. But many contributors use it extensively for all minor urban roads. So I just consider 'residential' and 'unclassified' as equal (although personally I use 'residential' only for its original purpose). Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?
On Monday 23 August 2010 12:59:20 André Riedel wrote: I see a difference in the connection level: (top-down) ... tertiary - unclassified - residential - service ... I agree with the importance ordering. That is what I am using too. Except I skip residential, when it it is not a residential area. -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Another classification needed for minor urban/suburban collectors?
2010/8/23 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:02 AM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote: You will find residential roads in residental, commercial or industrial areas. This seems very wrong to me. Can I get input from others? +1, I agree with André that unclassified roads can IMHO be found in residential areas and are to be considered bigger/more important than residential roads, but I don't agree that thay occur in areas where nobody lives or where living is not the main purpose. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
