Re: [Tagging] Combined defibrillator with emergency phone
On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:17 +0100, Thorsten Alge wrote: > > "This image doesn’t exist, has been hidden or is part of a private > > project." > > > > Phil (trigpoint) > > tested it with another browser and it works. Thanks, works on Chrome, not on firefox. Me thinks mapillary mess with the website too much. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined defibrillator with emergency phone
sent from a phone > Am 06.02.2016 um 18:41 schrieb Colin Smale : > > I have a rather scientific way of looking at such discussions. The bottom > line is that there is no right and wrong in OSM, just a bunch of opinions. I > agree, this case "can" be represented by a new tag. Whether it is wise, or > optimal, is a matter for discussion. If someone wants to see it in a > particular way, then they are free to do so. > I agree (in case that was not clear), I'd also map it as 2 nodes (for compatibility reasons). Just if you really wanted to say, this is one box with both, and not 2 boxes, then I'd rather use a new tag instead of "phone;defibrillator" because the latter doesn't make it clear. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined defibrillator with emergency phone
> "This image doesn’t exist, has been hidden or is part of a private > project." > > Phil (trigpoint) tested it with another browser and it works. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined defibrillator with emergency phone
On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 18:49 +0100, Thorsten Alge wrote: > It's about a cabinat with a defibrillator in it and a button on it to > call 112 as you can see here: > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/gmiQ8jjpqs9LqbQnXJe-_A/photo "This image doesn’t exist, has been hidden or is part of a private project." Phil (trigpoint) > > At the moment I'm mapping it with two nodes. One emergency=phone and > one > emergency=defibrillator. > > On 2016-02-06 18:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > > sent from a phone > > > > > Am 06.02.2016 um 16:17 schrieb Colin Smale > > >: > > > > > > If one function is clearly the primary function of the location > > > (e.g. mounting post, cabinet or whatever) then the secondary > > > function is sometimes tagged differently, e.g. emergency=phone, > > > defibrillator=yes > > > > > > it would surely be a "bit" of a stretch to state that the cabinet > > or the mounting post were the primary functions. > > (emergency=defibrillator, cabinet=yes). I agree that formally two > > unconnected nodes at "the same" location don't say it's a combined > > object, but IMHO the functions would still be represented well > > (because even if it's a combined object, a phone and an aed are > > different things with nothing in common besides maybe being > > integrated into one housing). If this is a common typology and > > especially if you want to express that it is a combined > > installation, it might merit its own tag (phone_and_defi...) > > > > cheers > > Martin > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined defibrillator with emergency phone
It's about a cabinat with a defibrillator in it and a button on it to call 112 as you can see here: https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/gmiQ8jjpqs9LqbQnXJe-_A/photo At the moment I'm mapping it with two nodes. One emergency=phone and one emergency=defibrillator. On 2016-02-06 18:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >> Am 06.02.2016 um 16:17 schrieb Colin Smale : >> >> If one function is clearly the primary function of the location (e.g. >> mounting post, cabinet or whatever) then the secondary function is sometimes >> tagged differently, e.g. emergency=phone, defibrillator=yes > > > it would surely be a "bit" of a stretch to state that the cabinet or the > mounting post were the primary functions. (emergency=defibrillator, > cabinet=yes). I agree that formally two unconnected nodes at "the same" > location don't say it's a combined object, but IMHO the functions would still > be represented well (because even if it's a combined object, a phone and an > aed are different things with nothing in common besides maybe being > integrated into one housing). If this is a common typology and especially if > you want to express that it is a combined installation, it might merit its > own tag (phone_and_defi...) > > cheers > Martin > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined defibrillator with emergency phone
Unfortunately a photo was not provided so we only had the original description to go on.. In OSM there is the rule-of-thumb of a single real-life object being mapped to a single OSM object. Are they the same object with two functions, or are they two objects? I have a rather scientific way of looking at such discussions. The bottom line is that there is no right and wrong in OSM, just a bunch of opinions. I agree, this case "can" be represented by a new tag. Whether it is wise, or optimal, is a matter for discussion. If someone wants to see it in a particular way, then they are free to do so. //colin On 2016-02-06 18:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> Am 06.02.2016 um 16:17 schrieb Colin Smale : >> >> If one function is clearly the primary function of the location (e.g. >> mounting post, cabinet or whatever) then the secondary function is sometimes >> tagged differently, e.g. emergency=phone, defibrillator=yes > > it would surely be a "bit" of a stretch to state that the cabinet or the > mounting post were the primary functions. (emergency=defibrillator, > cabinet=yes). I agree that formally two unconnected nodes at "the same" > location don't say it's a combined object, but IMHO the functions would still > be represented well (because even if it's a combined object, a phone and an > aed are different things with nothing in common besides maybe being > integrated into one housing). If this is a common typology and especially if > you want to express that it is a combined installation, it might merit its > own tag (phone_and_defi...) > > cheers > Martin > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined defibrillator with emergency phone
sent from a phone > Am 06.02.2016 um 16:17 schrieb Colin Smale : > > If one function is clearly the primary function of the location (e.g. > mounting post, cabinet or whatever) then the secondary function is sometimes > tagged differently, e.g. emergency=phone, defibrillator=yes it would surely be a "bit" of a stretch to state that the cabinet or the mounting post were the primary functions. (emergency=defibrillator, cabinet=yes). I agree that formally two unconnected nodes at "the same" location don't say it's a combined object, but IMHO the functions would still be represented well (because even if it's a combined object, a phone and an aed are different things with nothing in common besides maybe being integrated into one housing). If this is a common typology and especially if you want to express that it is a combined installation, it might merit its own tag (phone_and_defi...) cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined defibrillator with emergency phone
I would say two nodes at the same location. They are unrelated functions, just co-located. They can have different operators, contact info, etc etc. Trying to put two whole sets of data on one node is going to get ugly. If one function is clearly the primary function of the location (e.g. mounting post, cabinet or whatever) then the secondary function is sometimes tagged differently, e.g. emergency=phone, defibrillator=yes (if the phone is the primary function). But this only really works if one function is clearly dominant and the others clearly subordinate, so the presence of an AED can be seen as an attribute of the phone rather than an independent object. --colin On 2016-02-06 16:06, Thorsten Alge wrote: > Hi Folks, > > what is considered the best way to map a defibrillator which is combined > with an emergency phone? > > * Two nodes, one as emergency=phone the other as emergency=defibrillator > > * emergency=phone;defibrillator > > Or something else? > > Regards > > Thorsten > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Combined defibrillator with emergency phone
Hi Folks, what is considered the best way to map a defibrillator which is combined with an emergency phone? * Two nodes, one as emergency=phone the other as emergency=defibrillator * emergency=phone;defibrillator Or something else? Regards Thorsten ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
