Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (DEPRECATED building=funeral hall)

2020-09-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging



Sep 18, 2020, 16:25 by mwoehlke.fl...@gmail.com:

> On 18/09/2020 02.46, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
>
>> building=church is building constructed as a church that now can
>> be a place of worship, warehouse, unused or something else but
>> retained building structure typical to a church
>>
>> amenity=place_of_worship is a place where regular worship is conducted
>> - it may be in a church, in open area, in former fish market, in building 
>> constructed
>> as a warehouse
>>
>
> Question: is 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7408471,-73.7805254,132a,35y,69.19h,53.87t/data=!3m1!1e3
>  a building=church? AFAIK it was constructed as a "church" (as a place of 
> worship, anyway), but if you took down the signage and started to use it for 
> another purpose, there would be no evidence that it ever used to be a place 
> of worship; the construction *style* is absolutely *not* what is typically 
> associated with a "church".
>
I would defer to decisions/interpretations of a local community, but if 
something like that appeared in
Poland I would tag it as building=supermarket (it matches exactly supermarket 
building, at least
from outside).

NOTE: I am unfamiliar with this specific type of architectural monstrosity, 
maybe
it should be handled differently.

maybe some term can capture this well


> Compare with > 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6822058,-73.840315,35a,35y,225.94h,69.88t/data=!3m1!1e3>
>  , which still looks almost entirely generic from above, but at least has 
> *some* features of a "traditional church".
>
Here building=church makes *some* sort of sense

>> Not sure whatever there are building where their structure makes them
>> recognizable as funeral halls, but in case where such building exist
>> correct tagging is building=funeral_hall (potentially also 
>> amenity=funerall_hall)
>>
>
> Possibly something like 
> https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4139398,-84.0322268,53a,35y,89.44h,48.46t/data=!3m1!1e3
>  ...?
>
>

Maybe, GSV is too far away to allow remote tag theorethizing.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (DEPRECATED building=funeral hall)

2020-09-18 Thread Matthew Woehlke

On 18/09/2020 02.46, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:

building=church is building constructed as a church that now can
be a place of worship, warehouse, unused or something else but
retained building structure typical to a church

amenity=place_of_worship is a place where regular worship is conducted
- it may be in a church, in open area, in former fish market, in building 
constructed
as a warehouse


Question: is 
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7408471,-73.7805254,132a,35y,69.19h,53.87t/data=!3m1!1e3 
a building=church? AFAIK it was constructed as a "church" (as a place of 
worship, anyway), but if you took down the signage and started to use it 
for another purpose, there would be no evidence that it ever used to be 
a place of worship; the construction *style* is absolutely *not* what is 
typically associated with a "church".


Compare with 
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6822058,-73.840315,35a,35y,225.94h,69.88t/data=!3m1!1e3, 
which still looks almost entirely generic from above, but at least has 
*some* features of a "traditional church".



Not sure whatever there are building where their structure makes them
recognizable as funeral halls, but in case where such building exist
correct tagging is building=funeral_hall (potentially also 
amenity=funerall_hall)


Possibly something like 
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4139398,-84.0322268,53a,35y,89.44h,48.46t/data=!3m1!1e3 
...?


--
Matthew

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (DEPRECATED building=funeral hall)

2020-09-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=funeral+hall=h_=images=images=images
makes clear that at least some funeral halls are distinguishable from
building=house

This proposal reports that some members of German OSM community think 
differently,
I am not sure why it is enough to make proposal to encourage to change
all building=funeral_hall to building=yes

"It is therefore proposed to instead use the combination:
building=yes
amenity=funeral_hall"

Even if building is not recognizable specifically as funerall hall
and some more generic tag would be fitting (building=hall? building=civic?
building=public?) it does not mean that
1) nonspecific building=yes is best
2) there is currently funeral_hall there, so amenity=funeral_hall
should not always be added

Sep 18, 2020, 08:46 by tagging@openstreetmap.org:

> building tags and amenity/shop/... tags are for different purposes
>
> building=church is building constructed as a church that now can
> be a place of worship, warehouse, unused or something else but
> retained building structure typical to a church
>
> amenity=place_of_worship is a place where regular worship is conducted
> - it may be in a church, in open area, in former fish market, in building 
> constructed
> as a warehouse
>
> Not sure whatever there are building where their structure makes them
> recognizable as funeral halls, but in case where such building exist
> correct tagging is building=funeral_hall (potentially also 
> amenity=funerall_hall)
>
> Sep 17, 2020, 23:50 by woll...@posteo.de:
>
>> Dear list,
>>
>> Please comment on the following proposal:
>>
>> Tagging: building=funeral_hall
>> Definition: DEPRECATED, use building=yes combined with amenity=funeral_hall 
>> instead
>>
>> (This is an offshoot from my recent proposal for amenity=funeral_hall, due 
>> to comments made there.)
>>
>> Proposal page: 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/DEPRECATED_building%3Dfuneral_hall
>> Discussion page: 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/DEPRECATED_building%3Dfuneral_hall
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Vollis
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (DEPRECATED building=funeral hall)

2020-09-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
building tags and amenity/shop/... tags are for different purposes

building=church is building constructed as a church that now can
be a place of worship, warehouse, unused or something else but
retained building structure typical to a church

amenity=place_of_worship is a place where regular worship is conducted
- it may be in a church, in open area, in former fish market, in building 
constructed
as a warehouse

Not sure whatever there are building where their structure makes them
recognizable as funeral halls, but in case where such building exist
correct tagging is building=funeral_hall (potentially also 
amenity=funerall_hall)

Sep 17, 2020, 23:50 by woll...@posteo.de:

> Dear list,
>
> Please comment on the following proposal:
>
> Tagging: building=funeral_hall
> Definition: DEPRECATED, use building=yes combined with amenity=funeral_hall 
> instead
>
> (This is an offshoot from my recent proposal for amenity=funeral_hall, due to 
> comments made there.)
>
> Proposal page: 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/DEPRECATED_building%3Dfuneral_hall
> Discussion page: 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/DEPRECATED_building%3Dfuneral_hall
>
> Thanks!
>
> Vollis
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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (DEPRECATED building=funeral hall)

2020-09-17 Thread wolle68

Dear list,

Please comment on the following proposal:

Tagging: building=funeral_hall
Definition: DEPRECATED, use building=yes combined with 
amenity=funeral_hall instead


(This is an offshoot from my recent proposal for amenity=funeral_hall, 
due to comments made there.)


Proposal page: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/DEPRECATED_building%3Dfuneral_hall
Discussion page: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/DEPRECATED_building%3Dfuneral_hall


Thanks!

Vollis

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