Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
I tried to collect the feedback by topic and I posted my thoughts here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Homeless_Shelter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Homeless_ShelterLet me know if I missed anything. Did this format work? The big takeaway is merging this proposal in with social_facility (or something similarly named). How can I get hold of the user kerosin? Thanks. Sean On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 17:17, Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the good feedback. I just got back from a long-weekend away and I plan to go through the comments and respond first thing tomorrow morning. Sean On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 08:33, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/9/4 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: a key 'social' does work for homeless_shelter, are there any other values (that are in other keys) that would fit with this social key? bingo_hall I don't know these well, but I thought they would more belong to leisure? ... community_center (with a tagging war lol) +1 ... beer_garden ... pub to discuss tagging wars. -1, I'd keep them where they are. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
2010/9/8 Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com: something similarly named). How can I get hold of the user kerosin? http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/kerosin cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
That was easy; just left a message. -- Sean On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 16:02, Sean Horgan seanhor...@gmail.com wrote: Dear mappers, I scoured the well-written wiki pages for a similar feature but couldn't find one so here is a proposal for a Homeless Shelter: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Homeless_Shelter This is my first crack at a proposal so I'm looking forward to all suggestions and comments. Thanks. Sean ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
Thanks for all the good feedback. I just got back from a long-weekend away and I plan to go through the comments and respond first thing tomorrow morning. Sean On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 08:33, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/9/4 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: a key 'social' does work for homeless_shelter, are there any other values (that are in other keys) that would fit with this social key? bingo_hall I don't know these well, but I thought they would more belong to leisure? ... community_center (with a tagging war lol) +1 ... beer_garden ... pub to discuss tagging wars. -1, I'd keep them where they are. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
Thanks for the reply John. I found this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Shelter, but this seems specific to recreation. You could place a tag on the homeless_shelter to cover the demographic served, i.e. women, children, etc. Sean On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 22:05, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I'll try to dig up the thread, however someone had come up with a more generic shelter idea, since there is more than one kind, and I'm not talking about mountain shelters. You also have women's shelters, which are there to protect battered women and children from abusive spouses. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
On Sat, 4 Sep 2010, Sean Horgan wrote: Thanks for the reply John. I found this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Shelter, but this seems specific to recreation. You could place a tag on the homeless_shelter to cover the demographic served, i.e. women, children, etc. i recall a discussion on either this list or 'talk' which covered residential facilities - orphanages, old people's homes and similar. not sure if it translated into tags documented on the wiki ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
sure, but the 'operator=*' tag is a 'sub-tag or dependent tag, which is an attribute of any map feature. I'm looking the define what categories best define tis feature. When printed on paper form, and you want the icon listed in the directory, would it be under 'Accomidations' or under 'Community Services'? Sorry, I think i just answered my own question :-) On 9/4/10, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 September 2010 18:00, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Is this feature government run? or is it privatly funded through donations as a cherity organization? Wouldn't that only matter if you wanted to use the operator=* tag? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
Hi. Should not building=homeless_shelter be correct - and thus more precise than the big collection amenity? Peter On 04.09.2010 03:24, Sean Horgan wrote: Dear mappers, I scoured the well-written wiki pages for a similar feature but couldn't find one so here is a proposal for a Homeless Shelter: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Homeless_Shelter This is my first crack at a proposal so I'm looking forward to all suggestions and comments. Thanks. Sean ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
could we use amenity=homeless_shelter for when using it as a node, and bulding=homeless_shelter when using it as an area? i found in the planet.osm stats that building is used more, and amenity is used for anything comminity (taxpayer funded)ish stuff. sam On 9/4/10, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: Hi. Should not building=homeless_shelter be correct - and thus more precise than the big collection amenity? Peter On 04.09.2010 03:24, Sean Horgan wrote: Dear mappers, I scoured the well-written wiki pages for a similar feature but couldn't find one so here is a proposal for a Homeless Shelter: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Homeless_Shelter This is my first crack at a proposal so I'm looking forward to all suggestions and comments. Thanks. Sean ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
On Saturday 04 September 2010 11:06:16 Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi. Should not building=homeless_shelter be correct - and thus more precise than the big collection amenity? Peter No the building tag is to describe things about a building itself, but not what just happens to be in it. We don't have shops under building=shop, police stations under building=police_station, ice rinks under building=ice_rink, etc. Besides that would just replace the big bucket of unorganised amenities with a big bucket of unorganised buildings. -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
the building tag is used when no other key would be appropriate for it. The bucket of amenities isn't really that full since some already have a commonly used key, so a re-direct or autocorrect recomendation can be made. Iats (building) also used as a secondary tag, where the feature described is not obvious to the end-map user that its a building, and if it houses different activities. and when describing the area around the building where another key wont do, the landuse tag makes the assumption that it's flat. so in this case the entire building is used for 1 primary purpose and it can easily be grouped in a 'community service' as well as an 'amenity' and it's commonly known that a homeless shelter is a building. as would be defined in the descrption. thanks, i was wrong. cheers, sam On 9/4/10, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Saturday 04 September 2010 11:06:16 Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi. Should not building=homeless_shelter be correct - and thus more precise than the big collection amenity? Peter No the building tag is to describe things about a building itself, but not what just happens to be in it. We don't have shops under building=shop, police stations under building=police_station, ice rinks under building=ice_rink, etc. Besides that would just replace the big bucket of unorganised amenities with a big bucket of unorganised buildings. -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
On 4 September 2010 20:37, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: the building tag is used when no other key would be appropriate for it. How's this different than the current practice of dumping everything under amenity=*? Iats (building) also used as a secondary tag, where the feature described is not obvious to the end-map user that its a building, and if it houses different activities. This breaks down when it's not a single building, but a grouping of buildings, or only half a building, or a single room in a larger building like a multistory building... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
2010/9/4 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: the building tag is used when no other key would be appropriate for it. no, the building-tag is to describe the building. You can have building=cathedral, building=barn, building=detached_house, building=highrise, but building=fast_food or police_station is not appropriate IMHO. so in this case the entire building is used for 1 primary purpose and it can easily be grouped in a 'community service' as well as an 'amenity' there is lot's of cases where these shelters are not the only/primary usage of a building. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 7:04 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: there is lot's of cases where these shelters are not the only/primary usage of a building. You might also have a homeless shelter that's not in a building, such as under a highway overpass. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
Am 04.09.2010 07:05, schrieb John Smith: I'll try to dig up the thread, however someone had come up with a more generic shelter idea, since there is more than one kind, and I'm not talking about mountain shelters. social=homeless_shelter social=womens_shelter Also: social=hospice social=sheltered_workspace social=soup_kitchen social=retirered_home etc.pp. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
a key 'social' does work for homeless_shelter, are there any other values (that are in other keys) that would fit with this social key? bingo_hall ... community_center (with a tagging war lol) ... beer_garden ... pub to discuss tagging wars. with the trolls under the amenity=camping bridge=yes anyway, i'll need to sort that out, as it helps with the 'community' grouping. cheers, sam On 9/4/10, Élisée Reclus fe-nospam-2009-03...@arcor.de wrote: Am 04.09.2010 07:05, schrieb John Smith: I'll try to dig up the thread, however someone had come up with a more generic shelter idea, since there is more than one kind, and I'm not talking about mountain shelters. social=homeless_shelter social=womens_shelter Also: social=hospice social=sheltered_workspace social=soup_kitchen social=retirered_home etc.pp. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #osm-ca Canadian OSM channel (an open chat room) @Acrosscanadatrails ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
On 9/4/10 8:44 AM, Sam Vekemans wrote: a key 'social' does work for homeless_shelter, are there any other values (that are in other keys) that would fit with this social key? i know a number of people involved in operation of various social support groups, i can poll them on the various types of facilities that exist if that would help. i know there are a number of residential facilities that focus on helping minors in difficult situations. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
On 4 September 2010 22:44, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: bingo_hall ... community_center (with a tagging war lol) I don't see a problem... ... beer_garden ... pub to discuss tagging wars. Pubs are already defined, and instead of having them under multiple categories it would be better to fix the incorrectly tagged pubs... As for beer_garden this is usually a feature attached to pubs, at least in Australia they only seem to exist at pubs, so this would be amenity=pub, beer_garden=yes/no... anyway, i'll need to sort that out, as it helps with the 'community' grouping. They seem similar enough that they could be used interchangeably to a certain extent... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
See too: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Residential_home http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dnursing_home http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/social_facility 2010/9/4 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: I'll try to dig up the thread, however someone had come up with a more generic shelter idea, since there is more than one kind, and I'm not talking about mountain shelters. You also have women's shelters, which are there to protect battered women and children from abusive spouses. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
2010/9/4 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: a key 'social' does work for homeless_shelter, are there any other values (that are in other keys) that would fit with this social key? bingo_hall I don't know these well, but I thought they would more belong to leisure? ... community_center (with a tagging war lol) +1 ... beer_garden ... pub to discuss tagging wars. -1, I'd keep them where they are. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
Dear mappers, I scoured the well-written wiki pages for a similar feature but couldn't find one so here is a proposal for a Homeless Shelter: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Homeless_Shelter This is my first crack at a proposal so I'm looking forward to all suggestions and comments. Thanks. Sean ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Homeless Shelter
I'll try to dig up the thread, however someone had come up with a more generic shelter idea, since there is more than one kind, and I'm not talking about mountain shelters. You also have women's shelters, which are there to protect battered women and children from abusive spouses. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
