Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Research station

[Warin]

I think there are more research stations that are not so remote, not 
manned 24/7 nor have residences on site.


Some links to a diverse range of possible 'research stations'
https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/OandA/Areas/Assessing-our-climate/Greenhouse-gas-data
https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/AF/Areas/Boorowa-Agricultural-Research-Station
https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/Facilities/AAHL
https://australianmuseum.net.au/lizard-island-research-station


On 24/10/18 20:34, Jonathon Rossi wrote:
Here in Queensland Australia, our Department of Agriculture and 
Fisheries run many research stations 
 
obviously doing primary industries based research. Some universities 
do perform research there, but they are government owned and run stations.


I recently started mapping a local one 
 which is in a urban 
area. Wikipedia's definition of a research station isn't so strong 
about them being located in a remote area.


The local one I linked to above isn't self sufficient and people don't 
live there, however they recently installed a fancy research solar 
array. From your definition it doesn't sound like this one would 
qualify, as many others on the DAF list probably don't either, but I 
would think the chosen tag name applies.


Is your proposal that this tag applies to my example?

Thanks

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 6:20 PM Bren Barnes > wrote:


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Research_station

A *research station* is an amenity that is built for the purpose
of conducting scientific research. Research stations are often
located in remote areas of the world, such as in the polar regions
or oceans. Due to their remote nature they are usually
self-sufficient campuses, generating their power requirements from
non-grid sources and having food supplies for long seasons. The
stations are staffed by both research scientists and operational
staff who live and work on base 24/7


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Research station

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Mi., 24. Okt. 2018 um 10:20 Uhr schrieb Bren Barnes :

> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Research_station
>
> A *research station* is an amenity that is built for the purpose of
> conducting scientific research. Research stations are often located in
> remote areas of the world, such as in the polar regions or oceans. Due to
> their remote nature they are usually self-sufficient campuses, generating
> their power requirements from non-grid sources and having food supplies for
> long seasons. The stations are staffed by both research scientists and
> operational staff who live and work on base 24/7
>



I would not require it is "built for the purpose", IMHO it is sufficien it
is "used for the purpose". I am also not sure whether people will have to
live there, and whether this has to be"24/7", this might be often the case,
but it isn't necessarily a requirement, is it?

I would reduce the definition to the absolute minimum, and put the prose
into a more verbose explanation section. Words like "usually" imply that
these aren't strict requirements (but can be indices/hints).

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Research station

[Jonathon Rossi]

Here in Queensland Australia, our Department of Agriculture and Fisheries
run many research stations

obviously doing primary industries based research. Some universities do
perform research there, but they are government owned and run stations.

I recently started mapping a local one
 which is in a urban area.
Wikipedia's definition of a research station isn't so strong about them
being located in a remote area.

The local one I linked to above isn't self sufficient and people don't live
there, however they recently installed a fancy research solar array. From
your definition it doesn't sound like this one would qualify, as many
others on the DAF list probably don't either, but I would think the chosen
tag name applies.

Is your proposal that this tag applies to my example?

Thanks

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 6:20 PM Bren Barnes  wrote:

> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Research_station
>
> A *research station* is an amenity that is built for the purpose of
> conducting scientific research. Research stations are often located in
> remote areas of the world, such as in the polar regions or oceans. Due to
> their remote nature they are usually self-sufficient campuses, generating
> their power requirements from non-grid sources and having food supplies for
> long seasons. The stations are staffed by both research scientists and
> operational staff who live and work on base 24/7
>
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Research station

[Christoph Hormann]

On Wednesday 24 October 2018, Bren Barnes wrote:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Research_statio
>n

It is not quite clear what criteria qualify a place as a research 
station based on your proposal.  You might in particular want to 
consider the distinction from things like military outposts, park 
ranger stations in nature reserves, weather stations and similar.  In 
the Antarctic the situation is mostly clear due to the legal background 
but elsewhere many such stations are multi-purpose.

It is also not clear if this is meant as a supplemental tag to populated 
place tags or if as a replacement for those.  As a supplemental tag it 
seems fine provided there are clear criteria, as a main tag given the 
wide range of research stations that exist it would seem a step back 
from existing populated place tagging.

And like with populated places since in most cases research stations 
have a well defined center but not a well defined outline it makes much 
more sense to map them with a node than with a polygon.

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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Research station

[Bren Barnes]

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Research_station

A *research station* is an amenity that is built for the purpose of
conducting scientific research. Research stations are often located in
remote areas of the world, such as in the polar regions or oceans. Due to
their remote nature they are usually self-sufficient campuses, generating
their power requirements from non-grid sources and having food supplies for
long seasons. The stations are staffed by both research scientists and
operational staff who live and work on base 24/7
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