Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
On 17.06.2013 20:26, Alberto wrote: Ok, I've a solution. I will change the word species with animal. animal_breeding=animal;animal;... Where in place of animal you must write the English common name of animal bred. This is simple and maintains consistency with animal_shelter and animal_boarding. If you want to specify the scientific name, you can add other tags like taxon=* or species=* or genus=*. Is this a good deal? Alberto +1 Thanks ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
Am 17.06.2013 01:19, schrieb Steve Doerr: On 16/06/2013 15:09, fly wrote: you still talk about species and later are mentioning dog/cat/horse which are genera. 'dog - A domesticated carnivorous mammal, Canis familiaris (or C. lupus familiaris)...' 'cat - A well-known carnivorous quadruped ( Felis domesticus) ...' 'horse - A solid-hoofed perissodactyl quadruped ( Equus caballus)...' (all definitions from Oxford English Dictionary). They all look like species to me. Sorry, I was wrong with the specific example dog. Though I have to say, that cat is unclear weather your are talking about the species house cat or the genus cat, the same with horses as the Mongolian horse and the domestic wild horse are different species. The dictionary should not mention a single species but show the differences. Still the main point remains as there are already established tags why not using them and if there is a problem with latin names you can still use language code as subkey (e.g. species:ru=*) Please, do not get me wrong. We had a similar discussion with plants (e.g. trees) two years ago and I just wanted to get it right from the beginning, this time. fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
That sounds better to me. Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Ok, I've a solution. I will change the word species with animal. animal_breeding=animal;animal;... Where in place of animal you must write the English common name of animal bred. This is simple and maintains consistency with animal_shelter and animal_boarding. If you want to specify the scientific name, you can add other tags like taxon=* or species=* or genus=*. Is this a good deal? Alberto ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
On 17/giu/2013, at 20:26, Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Ok, I've a solution. I will change the word species with animal. animal_breeding=animal;animal;... Where in place of animal you must write the English common name of animal bred. This is simple and maintains consistency with animal_shelter and animal_boarding. If you want to specify the scientific name, you can add other tags like taxon=* or species=* or genus=*. Is this a good deal? +1 cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
On 16/giu/2013, at 12:17, Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it wrote: have more votes, but at the end we have 10 in favor and 1 against. I’ve also written to the only person who voted against to discuss his opinion, but I’ve received no response. So what’s now? Do you think I should create a definitive wiki page assuming the proposal is approved, although we have only 11 votes in total? if you end voting now it means that your proposal is rejected for absence of interest (must have at least 15 votes). I think given the low number of opponents you could extend the voting period and try to encourage more people to participate in the voting. cheers, Martin___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
Voting is pointless and gives tags an air or importance they do not deserve - there are *no* approved tags, just tags people use. Discussing and documenting tags is good, but voting is just daft, especially when the quorum is just 15 out of about 15000 regular mappers. If you like the tag and find it useful, use it. Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Hello, the voting period for this proposal [1] is over: I've already extended the period to have more votes, but at the end we have 10 in favor and 1 against. I've also written to the only person who voted against to discuss his opinion, but I've received no response. So what's now? Do you think I should create a definitive wiki page assuming the proposal is approved, although we have only 11 votes in total? [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Animal_breeding --- cheers, Chris osm user, chillly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
On 16.06.2013 12:31, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: On 16/giu/2013, at 12:17, Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it So what’s now? Do you think I should create a definitive wiki page assuming the proposal is approved, although we have only 11 votes in total? I think you can treat it as approved. The requirement is has found enough support - the 8 unanimous votes or 15 votes with majority approval are explicitly only there as a rough example, not a strict rule themselves. In my opinion, relatively decent participation (11 votes) with only one opponent, whose argument has even been taken into account and who is unresponsive now, can clearly be considered enough support. It doesn't make any sense to insist that you should find 4 more persons who oppose your proposal before it can be considered approved... if you end voting now it means that your proposal is rejected for absence of interest (must have at least 15 votes). The rules are not as strict as you suggest here. Tobias ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
Am 16.06.2013 13:24, schrieb Chris Hill: Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Hello, the voting period for this proposal [1] is over: I've already extended the period to have more votes, but at the end we have 10 in favor and 1 against. I've also written to the only person who voted against to discuss his opinion, but I've received no response. So what's now? Do you think I should create a definitive wiki page assuming the proposal is approved, although we have only 11 votes in total? Voting is pointless and gives tags an air or importance they do not deserve - there are *no* approved tags, just tags people use. Discussing and documenting tags is good, but voting is just daft, especially when the quorum is just 15 out of about 15000 regular mappers. If you like the tag and find it useful, use it. +1 Documentation is much more important and you still talk about species and later are mentioning dog/cat/horse which are genera. Please, once more, use the already existing tags genus=*, species=* and taxon=*. Thanks fly [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Animal_breeding ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
Martin and Chris opinions are opposite but both true. I thought voting could be a chance to put attention on the proposal, but it seems that few people care about it. On the other hand that proposal doesn't conflict with other tags, so I could simply create a wiki page to document it and bypass voting as Chris suggests. So what should I do, extend voting or not? Alberto If you end voting now it means that your proposal is rejected for absence of interest (must have at least 15 votes). I think given the low number of opponents you could extend the voting period and try to encourage more people to participate in the voting. cheers, Martin Voting is pointless and gives tags an air or importance they do not deserve - there are *no* approved tags, just tags people use. Discussing and documenting tags is good, but voting is just daft, especially when the quorum is just 15 out of about 15000 regular mappers. If you like the tag and find it useful, use it. Chris Hill ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
On 16/06/2013 15:09, fly wrote: you still talk about species and later are mentioning dog/cat/horse which are genera. 'dog - A domesticated carnivorous mammal, Canis familiaris (or C. lupus familiaris)...' 'cat - A well-known carnivorous quadruped ( Felis domesticus) ...' 'horse - A solid-hoofed perissodactyl quadruped ( Equus caballus)...' (all definitions from Oxford English Dictionary). They all look like species to me. -- Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
What your are talking about are genus not species see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:genus http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:species You can specify a single species or many species together. Species is not intended to be in scientific language but in common language, for simplicity. The tag is consistent with animal_shelter and animal_boarding where in species you could specify dog or mammal or little_mammal or pet or sea_bird or sea_turtle: so a scientific classification is not appropriate here, and would discourage the common mapper. Landuse=grass seems to be to general better use meadow. Yes, landuse=grass is general for grass area for example in a dog or cat breeding. If the grass area is used to feed animals, landuse=meadow or better landuse=farmland should be used, but probably it would be outside the breeding facility itself. However, ok, I will put a link to landuse=meadow or landuse=farmland too. Thank you for your comments. Cheers Alberto ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
I remember you that the voting of this proposal is under way and will end on 2013-06-15: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Animal_breeding Please express your opinion, so we can finally end the procedure and create a definitive wiki page. Thank you Alberto ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
Am 07.06.2013 19:24, schrieb Alberto: I remember you that the voting of this proposal is under way and will end on 2013-06-15: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Animal_breeding Please express your opinion, so we can finally end the procedure and create a definitive wiki page. What your are talking about are genus not species see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:genus http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:species You can also link to: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:taxon Landuse=grass seems to be to general better use meadow. cu fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Animal_breeding
I ask you to express your opinion about this proposal, by voting it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Animal_breeding So if you approve it, I can set up the final page on the wiki. Thank you Alberto - Viking81 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
