Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Temperature=
On 12/03/2015 9:20 PM, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: Warin, you have a 50/50 split. Maybe it's better to try to address the issues and re-vote the proposal? We could have a good tag, but we are going towards a barely accepted one. My main concern is not even that we don't have the vast majority support, but that the proposal hasn't provided a clear answer to some open questions. I have moved this back into the comments phase. Made a few changes - longer explanations. Deleted a few subjective values. Added seasonal and limit methods. I'll start a new RFC mark 2. I'll also announce it on the German forum to avoid the situation of people seeing the vote as the stage to make comments. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Temperature=
Warin, you have a 50/50 split. Maybe it's better to try to address the issues and re-vote the proposal? We could have a good tag, but we are going towards a barely accepted one. My main concern is not even that we don't have the vast majority support, but that the proposal hasn't provided a clear answer to some open questions. Cheers, Kotya On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Well a summary at ~ 2 weeks Total votes 15. Approvals 7. So it is close. Please vote! In another week I've evaluate the votes and proceed from there. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Temperature=
I'll summarise at the end. A clear statement of any opposition, its number on any one point and potential resolution/s or rebuttals can be made then. I'd rather get a good indication of any problems and ideas to go forward through the voting system now that it has started rather than terminate and miss even one input. On 12/03/2015 9:20 PM, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: Warin, you have a 50/50 split. Maybe it's better to try to address the issues and re-vote the proposal? We could have a good tag, but we are going towards a barely accepted one. My main concern is not even that we don't have the vast majority support, but that the proposal hasn't provided a clear answer to some open questions. Cheers, Kotya On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Well a summary at ~ 2 weeks Total votes 15. Approvals 7. So it is close. Please vote! In another week I've evaluate the votes and proceed from there. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Temperature=
Well a summary at ~ 2 weeks Total votes 15. Approvals 7. So it is close. Please vote! In another week I've evaluate the votes and proceed from there. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Temperature=
On 26/02/2015 8:33 PM, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: Hi Warin, Why rush? I don't think it's a question of how long the discussion took. The proposal still has open issues, some of which are even mentioned in the proposal page itself. So what are we voting for? I missed this bit Just to be clear .. the voting is for the key: temperature= I take the thing 'we' vote on being the title and tagging descriptions at the top of the page .. the rest is explanation, argument and possible future things. Not to vote the values that might be assigned to it. Those may need further individual discussion and work. There looks to be broad support for most of the given values. But I think it is too complex to discuss them all together. However 'we' are encouraged to be verbose in the explanation of the thing proposed. /ASSUME - making an ASS out of U and ME. / E.G If the proposal were for amenity=sanitation_dump_point then you would be voting on the value of the key amenity being sanitation_dump_point If the proposal were for amenity= you would be voting for the key amenity ... At least that is the way I see it. To say that a proposal for a key must have all its values in place at the start means any addition would mean a new vote of the entire key with all the previous values and the new value.. rather pointless. It also extends the process by allowing discussions on values that may see little if any use while the key and readily agreed values wait. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Temperature=
Hi Warin, Why rush? I don't think it's a question of how long the discussion took. The proposal still has open issues, some of which are even mentioned in the proposal page itself. So what are we voting for? It would be better to close the open issues (or at least remove the options that cause them), and vote for something definite. I vote against, not because I am against the proposal, but because it is not finished yet. Cheers, Kotya On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Well it has been 3 weeks for the comments .. a few changes/modifications, thanks for those. Time now to vote... Review the whole page - from the top https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Temperature Or go straight to voting https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Temperature#Voting = amenity=reception_desk voting in 2 days time waste_collection voting in 8 days time ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Temperature=
On 27/02/2015 9:03 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: The 'adjustable' value has been criticised as having no limits ... the suggestion is to use a sub tag say for example adjustable:range=cold to hot. That would need another proposal. Pull it all into one coherent proposal, then, for best results. Then you have to vote once for /against many things the more things the more possibilities of getting one thing objected to by one person, another thing by another person and so on.. eventually even the proposer would vote against it! The way I see around that is NOT to discuss and vote on everything at once .. but one thing at a time. I've fallen fowl of this on this temperature key. I will not do that again. If you want to pull it all into one coherent proposal why then is the proposal amenity=sanitary dump// station not includeing the sub keys to identify use for canisters, chemical toilets and raw effluent? As I see it those can come later. So ... my next proposal will be more restrictive and I will exclude the values of the key .. that way people will vote on the key alone ... leading to a better chance of reach a consensus and 'passing' the voting process. The values of the key can then be disscused and voted on individually. Thus the waste_collection key ... talk on including recycling in that now may leed to loosing the key. Talk of recyling later may lead to loosing the recycling section .. but any other values would remian. Thus we get the real majority result, in as short a period as possible rather than rejection due to a minority objection to one thing, another minority objection to something else ... without voting on one item at a time that can happen. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Temperature=
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: The 'adjustable' value has been criticised as having no limits ... the suggestion is to use a sub tag say for example adjustable:range=cold to hot. That would need another proposal. Pull it all into one coherent proposal, then, for best results. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Temperature=
On 26/02/2015 8:33 PM, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: Hi Warin, Why rush? I don't think it's a question of how long the discussion took. The proposal still has open issues, some of which are even mentioned in the proposal page itself. So what are we voting for? It would be better to close the open issues (or at least remove the options that cause them), and vote for something definite. I vote against, not because I am against the proposal, but because it is not finished yet. The 'outstanding issue' is heated and cooled? For an area that is 'adjusted' for only some of the time? Describing that using the word temperature I have not solution for that .. and no one has suggested one. For example an object can be heated by 100 K .. and still be cold .. if depends on what the temperature of the object was at the start. So the descriptions 'heated' or 'cooled' are not able to be described using a simple temperature= tag. To 'discuss' this around and around for lots of time is pointless. I think the 'heating' and 'cooling' problem needs a lot more thought .. but temperature= is not the solution for it. - The 'adjustable' value has been criticised as having no limits ... the suggestion is to use a sub tag say for example adjustable:range=cold to hot. That would need another proposal. Cheers, Kotya On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Well it has been 3 weeks for the comments .. a few changes/modifications, thanks for those. Time now to vote... Review the whole page - from the top https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Temperature Or go straight to voting https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Temperature#Voting = amenity=reception_desk voting in 2 days time waste_collection voting in 8 days time ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Temperature=
Hi, Well it has been 3 weeks for the comments .. a few changes/modifications, thanks for those. Time now to vote... Review the whole page - from the top https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Temperature Or go straight to voting https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Temperature#Voting = amenity=reception_desk voting in 2 days time waste_collection voting in 8 days time ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
