Re: [Tagging] Guard booth building type

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 7. Oct 2019, at 21:52, Tobias Zwick  wrote:
> 
> Not sure if this word is common in English, I just looked up the translation 
> of the German word for that.


I am not sure what you have translated, but I would re-translate this back as 
Pförtnerloge, which is not exactly the same thing (it is similar), to me this 
implies typically a space within the building, near the entrance.

What I am trying to tag would be called Pförtnerhäuschen in German (gatehouse), 
and is a freestanding or leaning small building, not a room inside another 
building. 

Maybe we’ll have to invent different tags according to the situation (guard of 
a parking or gate of a site, porter/doorman in a residential complex, reception 
of an office, etc.)?

examples for the freestanding structures
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Pfoertnerhaeuschen.JPG
http://www.eucont.de/Bilder%20Gebrauchte%20Container/102-1.JPG
etc. (they can be big or small, just for one person or for a team even with 
several rooms, solid brick and mortar buildings, or metal/glass booths, etc.

Cheers Martin 




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Re: [Tagging] Guard booth building type

[Paul Allen]

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 20:55, Tobias Zwick  wrote:

> How about porters_lodge, it's more general. It would cover the small
> building at the entrance of outdoor pools where you buy the tickets, same
> for other outdoor venues, the booth at the entrance of company/factory
> grounds, the guard booth at the entrance of gated communities etc.
>
> Not sure if this word is common in English, I just looked up the
> translation of the German word for that.
>

"Porter's lodge" exists in English.  But is mostly used with reference to
university accommodation
because, a long time ago, part of a porter's duty was to help carry the
students' baggage.

A more generic term would be gatehouse.

I would not generally expect to buy tickets at either a gatehouse or a
porter's lodge.  That would
more likely be called a ticket booth, even if it's more of a cabin than a
booth.

-- 
Paul
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Re: [Tagging] Guard booth building type

[Tobias Zwick]

How about porters_lodge, it's more general. It would cover the small building 
at the entrance of outdoor pools where you buy the tickets, same for other 
outdoor venues, the booth at the entrance of company/factory grounds, the guard 
booth at the entrance of gated communities etc.

Not sure if this word is common in English, I just looked up the translation of 
the German word for that.

Tobias 

On October 7, 2019 3:38:17 PM GMT+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer 
 wrote:
>Am Mo., 7. Okt. 2019 um 09:09 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny <
>matkoni...@tutanota.com>:
>
>> What would be the best tagging for guard booth minibuildings?
>>
>> I think that building=guard_booth would be the best one for objects
>> constructed
>> as guard booth.
>>
>
>
>I agree on the selection of building for the key, but the word "guard"
>may
>be too restrictive or misleading. There are many similar structures
>used
>for similar purposes, e.g. staffed by a "porter" or "gate keeper" or
>"janitor" (?) (someone who opens for example a lift gate), which would
>not
>be covered by this term. In my area there are also many similar
>structures
>placed mainly at big crossings, which are sometimes staffed by
>policemen
>(I'm not completely sure if they can control the traffic lights, but I
>guess not, because when chaotic situations occur they step out of the
>enclosement, put the whistle and in the mouth and regulate the traffic
>in
>person). The latter have a writing on them "municipal police", I would
>not
>consider them guard houses (although they look the same), these are
>typically airconditioned and will be locked when they leave.
>
>There's also a not so well known key (but still has more than 1000 uses
>as
>of now) to be added as a property to barriers:
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:barrier:personnel
>(it is physically a different feature, but functionally very similar).
>
>And there's a proposal for extending surveillance which has a
>(functionally) similar property:
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_tags_for_Key:Surveillance#Guard
>
>Looking at taginfo, I also found security_guard=no/yes (no is by far
>more
>used)
>https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/security_guard
>
>and guarded=yes/nighttime/yes/daytime/...
>https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/guarded
>
>both of these are currently around 250 uses globally, and far from
>reaching
>"supervised=*" (200K uses)
>
>I wonder if the tag would also be suitable for "temporary" structures
>like
>tents, which may not always be as temporary as they look. For example
>there
>are such tents set up in Rome since the government decided to put armed
>forces in front of embassies, and this is a situation that goes on for
>many
>years, one example can be seen here in the background on the right:
>https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=41.87225687537841=12.496776313017108=17=2L3AoKjXelz-CEG5Z4JBQg=photo=0.5120040767123977=0.5725924352245725=0
>
>Cheers,
>Martin

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Re: [Tagging] Guard booth building type

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am Mo., 7. Okt. 2019 um 09:09 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny <
matkoni...@tutanota.com>:

> What would be the best tagging for guard booth minibuildings?
>
> I think that building=guard_booth would be the best one for objects
> constructed
> as guard booth.
>


I agree on the selection of building for the key, but the word "guard" may
be too restrictive or misleading. There are many similar structures used
for similar purposes, e.g. staffed by a "porter" or "gate keeper" or
"janitor" (?) (someone who opens for example a lift gate), which would not
be covered by this term. In my area there are also many similar structures
placed mainly at big crossings, which are sometimes staffed by policemen
(I'm not completely sure if they can control the traffic lights, but I
guess not, because when chaotic situations occur they step out of the
enclosement, put the whistle and in the mouth and regulate the traffic in
person). The latter have a writing on them "municipal police", I would not
consider them guard houses (although they look the same), these are
typically airconditioned and will be locked when they leave.

There's also a not so well known key (but still has more than 1000 uses as
of now) to be added as a property to barriers:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:barrier:personnel
(it is physically a different feature, but functionally very similar).

And there's a proposal for extending surveillance which has a
(functionally) similar property:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Extended_tags_for_Key:Surveillance#Guard

Looking at taginfo, I also found security_guard=no/yes (no is by far more
used)
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/security_guard

and guarded=yes/nighttime/yes/daytime/...
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/guarded

both of these are currently around 250 uses globally, and far from reaching
"supervised=*" (200K uses)

I wonder if the tag would also be suitable for "temporary" structures like
tents, which may not always be as temporary as they look. For example there
are such tents set up in Rome since the government decided to put armed
forces in front of embassies, and this is a situation that goes on for many
years, one example can be seen here in the background on the right:
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=41.87225687537841=12.496776313017108=17=2L3AoKjXelz-CEG5Z4JBQg=photo=0.5120040767123977=0.5725924352245725=0

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Guard booth building type

[Paul Johnson]

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 2:59 AM Joseph Eisenberg 
wrote:

> “Booth” implies that one wall is missing (open).
>

I thought that was an adirondack?
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Re: [Tagging] Guard booth building type

[Warin]

On 07/10/19 18:59, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
“Booth” implies that one wall is missing (open).   A guardhouse would 
be more completely enclosed, I think. So either could work, depending 
on the building design.


Would be preferable to have a tag that has no implied restrictions. 
Possibly guard_post ??


These could be misused for fee collectors .. there should be reference 
to toll both so as to try and avoid this.
I note that some toll boths are in the middle of the road and are open 
to both sides.


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 4:14 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Guardhouse / guard post / sentry box?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Guard booth building type

[Joseph Eisenberg]

“Booth” implies that one wall is missing (open).   A guardhouse would be
more completely enclosed, I think. So either could work, depending on the
building design.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 4:14 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> Guardhouse / guard post / sentry box?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Guard booth building type

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Guardhouse / guard post / sentry box?

Thanks

Graeme
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[Tagging] Guard booth building type

[Mateusz Konieczny]

What would be the best tagging for guard booth minibuildings?

I think that building=guard_booth would be the best one for objects constructed
as guard booth.

Such objects are housing guard, usually at entrance to parking lot, industrial 
complex,
closed private residential complex, military base etc.

Is there better name than "guard_booth"? "guard_shed" was a previous version 
that I had
but it seems worse.

For examples see
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Guard_booth_20190426_135110.jpg 

(mapped as https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/301939906 
 )

or

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Guard_booth_CUHK.JPG 


or 

https://www.gaport.com/guard_houses.htm 
 (commercial site)

Seems faintly distinct from sentry boxes
see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sentry_boxes 

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