Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups --> group_accommodation ?

[Thilo Haug]

Hi all,

I checked whether there is some word for it.

In German, it seems it's called group_house :
https://gruppenhausmieten.com
https://www.gruppenhaus.de - 5096 Houses
https://www.belvilla.de/ferienhaus-gruppen
http://www.gruppenhäuser.info
https://www.ep-reisen.de/reisen-fuer-gruppen/gruppenhaeuser/gruppenhaeuser-mieten

In English, i found several group_accommodation
"hotels, countryside estates and castles, holiday villas and chalets"
http://www.groupaccommodation.com
"Large Group Accommodation in the UK" :
http://www.partyhouses.co.uk
https://www.stayz.com.au/large-groups-accommodation
Large group self catering holiday accommodation
*"large holiday villas to a group of holiday cottages to suit large
numbers"*
http://www.lovetoescape.com/idea/1163/large-group-self-catering-holiday-accommodation.htm*
*self-catering *country house, mansion or cottage**complex *
https://www.countrycottagesonline.net/project/search/Large-group-accommodation_Somerset.php

As those a really huge (different to a chalet or apartment),
I'd assume you should find some phrases to distinguish it from smaller ones
and name it group_accommodation ?

like
tourism=chalet
group_accommodation=yes

tourism=hotel
group_accommodation=yes

What's missing, is a tag for *mansion*/villa,
but it would be hard to define :
"In British English a mansion block refers to a*block of flats or
apartments* designed for the appearance of grandeur. In many parts of
Asia, including Hong Kong and Japan, the word mansion also refers to a
block of apartments.[...]
These town mansions were referred to as '*houses*' in London, *hotels*
in Paris and *palaces* in most European cities elsewhere."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansion

"a large impressive house"
http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/mansion

(I think it's better to use "chalet" instead)

Cheers,
Thilo


Am 13.03.2017 um 09:27 schrieb Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami:
> 2017-03-12 22:27 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer  >:
>
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 12 Mar 2017, at 17:04, althio  > wrote:
>
>> Well then as Thilo said, if it is not
>> "tourism=apartment"
>> it is
>> "tourism=chalet"
>
>
> it is neither, the established tourism tags describe quite
> specific accommodation types in osm and these bigger venues to
> rent as a whole are not covered by any of them, as far as I can see.
>
> a chalet according to the wiki :
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dchalet
> 
> A type of accommodation. The term chalet is used in the
> hospitality industry to describe one or more detached holiday
> cottages with self-contained cooking facilities and/or bathroom
> and toilet facilities.
>
>
> +1
> I totally agree.
> Both tourism=apartment and tourism=chalet are for detached houses.
> With number_of_apartments=* you can specify a building with many
> apartments, but not a building like a very big apartment.
>
> To clarify I've found some pictures:
> - https://ibin.co/3FOpHCbLtFVo.jpg
> - https://ibin.co/3FOph7H8yefQ.jpg
> - https://ibin.co/3FOpr6iSeNT6.jpg
>
> Some of them were formerly (50 to 70 years ago) hotels, the capacity
> is from 30 to 80 people. The kitchen is only one for all.
>
> Doing some proposal: is best to create a new tag (like
> tourism=vacation_house) or to add a tag to tourism=apartment (like
> groups=yes or simply capacity=80)?
>
> Lorenzo
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Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups

[Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami]

2017-03-12 22:27 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 12 Mar 2017, at 17:04, althio  wrote:
>
> Well then as Thilo said, if it is not
> "tourism=apartment"
> it is
> "tourism=chalet"
>
>
>
> it is neither, the established tourism tags describe quite specific
> accommodation types in osm and these bigger venues to rent as a whole are
> not covered by any of them, as far as I can see.
>
> a chalet according to the wiki :
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dchalet
> A type of accommodation. The term chalet is used in the hospitality
> industry to describe one or more detached holiday cottages with
> self-contained cooking facilities and/or bathroom and toilet facilities.
>

+1
I totally agree.
Both tourism=apartment and tourism=chalet are for detached houses.
With number_of_apartments=* you can specify a building with many
apartments, but not a building like a very big apartment.

To clarify I've found some pictures:
- https://ibin.co/3FOpHCbLtFVo.jpg
- https://ibin.co/3FOph7H8yefQ.jpg
- https://ibin.co/3FOpr6iSeNT6.jpg

Some of them were formerly (50 to 70 years ago) hotels, the capacity is
from 30 to 80 people. The kitchen is only one for all.

Doing some proposal: is best to create a new tag (like
tourism=vacation_house) or to add a tag to tourism=apartment (like
groups=yes or simply capacity=80)?

Lorenzo
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Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 12 Mar 2017, at 17:04, althio  wrote:
> 
> Well then as Thilo said, if it is not
> "tourism=apartment"
> it is
> "tourism=chalet"


it is neither, the established tourism tags describe quite specific 
accommodation types in osm and these bigger venues to rent as a whole are not 
covered by any of them, as far as I can see.

a chalet according to the wiki :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dchalet
A type of accommodation. The term chalet is used in the hospitality industry to 
describe one or more detached holiday cottages with self-contained cooking 
facilities and/or bathroom and toilet facilities.


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Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups

[althio]

Well then as Thilo said, if it is not
"tourism=apartment"
it is
"tourism=chalet"


On 12 March 2017 at 16:35, Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami
 wrote:
> 2017-03-12 16:10 GMT+01:00 althio :
>>
>> From your description, I understand that tourism=apartment is a good fit.
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dapartment
>>
>> It can be "applied to a building containing one or more holiday flats".
>> You can "tag an entire building in case there are several apartments
>> in the building".
>>
>> tourism=apartment
>> number_of_apartments=*
>> capacity=*
>
>
> Rather than number_of_apartments=* should be number_of_rooms=*. :)
> Because it's not a building with many apartments or a single apartment or a
> single family house, but a building (in a way is 'a very big apartment')
> with high capacity and suited for groups (big common places rather than a
> simple living room or a simple dining room).
>
> I was trying to figure out if it could make sense to create a more specific
> tag like tourism=vacation_house or tourism=holiday_house.
>
> Maybe tourism=apartment + groups=yes...
>
> The capacity=* tag is very useful in this case. Thank you.
>
> Lorenzo
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Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups

[Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami]

2017-03-12 16:10 GMT+01:00 althio :

> From your description, I understand that tourism=apartment is a good fit.
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dapartment
>
> It can be "applied to a building containing one or more holiday flats".
> You can "tag an entire building in case there are several apartments
> in the building".
>
> tourism=apartment
> number_of_apartments=*
> capacity=*
>

Rather than number_of_apartments=* should be number_of_rooms=*. :)
Because it's not a building with many apartments or a single apartment or a
single family house, but a building (in a way is 'a very big apartment')
with high capacity and suited for groups (big common places rather than a
simple living room or a simple dining room).

I was trying to figure out if it could make sense to create a more specific
tag like tourism=vacation_house or tourism=holiday_house.

Maybe tourism=apartment + groups=yes...

The capacity=* tag is very useful in this case. Thank you.

Lorenzo
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Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups

[althio]

From your description, I understand that tourism=apartment is a good fit.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dapartment

It can be "applied to a building containing one or more holiday flats".
You can "tag an entire building in case there are several apartments
in the building".

tourism=apartment
number_of_apartments=*
capacity=*


-- althio

On 11 March 2017 at 12:28, Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami
 wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm searching a valid tag for an holiday house rented to groups.
>
> It's something like tourism=apartment, but it's not a single apartment or a
> single family house, but an entire house (for example a former hotel) with
> many bedrooms, with a big kitchen and common places suited for groups that
> want to rent it and use it autonomously for an entire holiday (not like a
> tourism=guest_house which has an operator).
>
> I think something like tourism=vacation_house (not to be confused with a
> second home for vacation) or tourism=holiday_house.
> Wich could be the best?
>
> Lorenzo
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Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups - tourism=chalet with number of rooms / capacity ?

[Thilo Haug]

Hi Lorenzo,

IMHO this is currently "chalet" :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dchalet

But I think you'd like to differentiate the
"many bedrooms, with a big kitchen" ?

How about combining
tourism=chalet
with
rooms=
amenity=kitchen
and possibly
capacity=groups
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:capacity

?

Some campings also offer group tents,
so this could also be used for them ?

I'm generally interested in "tourism" POIs,
so I'd like to assist in this.
There's a former voted proposal for motorcycle accommodatons
which has been "reactivated" as similar keys might be also used
for other sports such as skiing, bicycle a.s.o. :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly
Perhaps this is an example which helps for the "overall strategy" to
find the ideal solution ?

Cheers,
Thilo


Am 11.03.2017 um 18:37 schrieb Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami:
> 2017-03-11 13:25 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug  >:
>
> Hi Lorenzo,
>
> I just know youth hostels which offer that.
>
> In this case it's definitely not a youth hostel.
> First because it's not only for youth, second because a hostel is
> operated by someone (a person or a company) which is not the case of
> these holiday houses.
>
> The main characteristic of these holiday houses is that there is no
> operator and the group have to manage it autonomously (they have to
> clean, to cook, bring the sheets to sleep and the food...).
>
> Lorenzo
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Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups

[Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami]

2017-03-11 13:25 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug :

> Hi Lorenzo,
>
> I just know youth hostels which offer that.
>
In this case it's definitely not a youth hostel.
First because it's not only for youth, second because a hostel is operated
by someone (a person or a company) which is not the case of these holiday
houses.

The main characteristic of these holiday houses is that there is no
operator and the group have to manage it autonomously (they have to clean,
to cook, bring the sheets to sleep and the food...).

Lorenzo
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Re: [Tagging] Holiday house for groups

[Thilo Haug]

Hi Lorenzo,

I just know youth hostels which offer that.
It's not defined yet but exists as a "Related Term" :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dhostel#See_also

It's just used three times yet :
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/nqv

youth_hostel or youth_camp

Cheers,
Thilo


Am 11.03.2017 um 12:28 schrieb Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami:
> Hi all,
> I'm searching a valid tag for an holiday house rented to groups.
>
> It's something like tourism=apartment, but it's not a single apartment
> or a single family house, but an entire house (for example a former
> hotel) with many bedrooms, with a big kitchen and common places suited
> for groups that want to rent it and use it autonomously for an entire
> holiday (not like a tourism=guest_house which has an operator).
>
> I think something like tourism=vacation_house (not to be confused with
> a second home for vacation) or tourism=holiday_house.
> Wich could be the best?
>
> Lorenzo
>
>
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[Tagging] Holiday house for groups

[Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami]

Hi all,
I'm searching a valid tag for an holiday house rented to groups.

It's something like tourism=apartment, but it's not a single apartment or a
single family house, but an entire house (for example a former hotel) with
many bedrooms, with a big kitchen and common places suited for groups that
want to rent it and use it autonomously for an entire holiday (not like a
tourism=guest_house which has an operator).

I think something like tourism=vacation_house (not to be confused with a
second home for vacation) or tourism=holiday_house.
Wich could be the best?

Lorenzo
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