Re: [Tagging] Hospital vs. Clinic refinement; Hospital departments
A requested, a few thoughts. This can get vary complicated and confusing given the size and complexity of many hospitals and the different local naming that can be used. You may want to consider using two tags. One for the actual name used within the hospital to describe the facility and one for the actual speciality. Our local hospital has a "Puffin" ward for example. It is actually the Children's ward. If you were using a map to try and find it you would want the local name but it would also be helpful to know the speciality. So perhaps, name=* & healthcare:speciality=* Most of the specialities are listed under the healthcare tag so this would be a good place to start. A few are missing. Most people will want to know the entrance to the particular facility within the hospital. If there is an external entrance you could consider putting the name=* and healthcare:speciality=* tag on the entrance=* tag. Otherwise, I guess this is indoor mapping of groups of rooms that make up the particular department, ward, unit theatre etc.Perhaps a single node at the position of the entrance to the facility within the building with the local name, the healthcare speciality and the floor level would be a simple first step. Regards Dudley > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > From: t.pfei...@computer.org > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 15:51:21 +0100 > Subject: [Tagging] Hospital vs. Clinic refinement; Hospital departments > > I would like to sync the distinctive criterion when to use amenity=hospital > or amenity=clinic. > > The hospital page says "often but not always providing for longer-term > patient stays" > which is a bit fuzzy, while the clinic page clearly says it is a hospital > when it > "offers inpatient care (beds for long stays)". > > Thus having in-patient beds would be a good criterion, which could be > clarified on the hospital page. > > Oxford defines hospital as > "an institution providing medical and surgical treatment and nursing care > for sick or injured people." > thus includes the nursing care. > > Or are there any clear cases of hospitals that do not have in-patients? > > Another clarification that would be necessary is how to tag hospital > departments. > The wiki discourages the repetition of amenity=hospital, and recommends to use > building=hospital on buildings. > > The buildings can be used for naming departments/stations/wards. I becomes > tricky > however when these stations are just in different levels. Maybe some tagging > from > the healthcare proposals would help. > > In any case, I would not want any amenity=[clinic|doctors|hospital] nodes > within > the amenity=hospital campus area (as long as they are operated by the > hospital, and > not e.g. a private surgery renting space there). > > However I have seen mappers been tempted to tag departments as amenity=clinic, > mainly because some hospital departments like to call themselves "Clinic of > ABC therapy". > > Thoughts? > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Hospital vs. Clinic refinement; Hospital departments
Yes of course the healthcare* tags and the entrance=* can be used. So it seems you agree that we should not use another amenity=[clinic|doctors|hospital] within the amenity=hospital campus, which is the core of this discussion. tom Dudley Ibbett wrote on 2015/11/28 19:27: A requested, a few thoughts. This can get vary complicated and confusing given the size and complexity of many hospitals and the different local naming that can be used. You may want to consider using two tags. One for the actual name used within the hospital to describe the facility and one for the actual speciality. Our local hospital has a "Puffin" ward for example. It is actually the Children's ward. If you were using a map to try and find it you would want the local name but it would also be helpful to know the speciality. So perhaps, name=* & healthcare:speciality=* Most of the specialities are listed under the healthcare tag so this would be a good place to start. A few are missing. Most people will want to know the entrance to the particular facility within the hospital. If there is an external entrance you could consider putting the name=* and healthcare:speciality=* tag on the entrance=* tag. Otherwise, I guess this is indoor mapping of groups of rooms that make up the particular department, ward, unit theatre etc.Perhaps a single node at the position of the entrance to the facility within the building with the local name, the healthcare speciality and the floor level would be a simple first step. Regards Dudley > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > From: t.pfei...@computer.org > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 15:51:21 +0100 > Subject: [Tagging] Hospital vs. Clinic refinement; Hospital departments > > I would like to sync the distinctive criterion when to use amenity=hospital or amenity=clinic. > > The hospital page says "often but not always providing for longer-term patient stays" > which is a bit fuzzy, while the clinic page clearly says it is a hospital when it > "offers inpatient care (beds for long stays)". > > Thus having in-patient beds would be a good criterion, which could be clarified on the hospital page. > > Oxford defines hospital as > "an institution providing medical and surgical treatment and nursing care for sick or injured people." > thus includes the nursing care. > > Or are there any clear cases of hospitals that do not have in-patients? > > Another clarification that would be necessary is how to tag hospital departments. > The wiki discourages the repetition of amenity=hospital, and recommends to use > building=hospital on buildings. > > The buildings can be used for naming departments/stations/wards. I becomes tricky > however when these stations are just in different levels. Maybe some tagging from > the healthcare proposals would help. > > In any case, I would not want any amenity=[clinic|doctors|hospital] nodes within > the amenity=hospital campus area (as long as they are operated by the hospital, and > not e.g. a private surgery renting space there). > > However I have seen mappers been tempted to tag departments as amenity=clinic, > mainly because some hospital departments like to call themselves "Clinic of ABC therapy". > > Thoughts? > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Hospital vs. Clinic refinement; Hospital departments
I would like to sync the distinctive criterion when to use amenity=hospital or amenity=clinic. The hospital page says "often but not always providing for longer-term patient stays" which is a bit fuzzy, while the clinic page clearly says it is a hospital when it "offers inpatient care (beds for long stays)". Thus having in-patient beds would be a good criterion, which could be clarified on the hospital page. Oxford defines hospital as "an institution providing medical and surgical treatment and nursing care for sick or injured people." thus includes the nursing care. Or are there any clear cases of hospitals that do not have in-patients? Another clarification that would be necessary is how to tag hospital departments. The wiki discourages the repetition of amenity=hospital, and recommends to use building=hospital on buildings. The buildings can be used for naming departments/stations/wards. I becomes tricky however when these stations are just in different levels. Maybe some tagging from the healthcare proposals would help. In any case, I would not want any amenity=[clinic|doctors|hospital] nodes within the amenity=hospital campus area (as long as they are operated by the hospital, and not e.g. a private surgery renting space there). However I have seen mappers been tempted to tag departments as amenity=clinic, mainly because some hospital departments like to call themselves "Clinic of ABC therapy". Thoughts? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
