Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains
Hi - I don't have a direct answer I'm afraid. But please try not to think about what gets rendered - the default style shown on the osm.org homepage is just one of hundreds of rendering styles that are used. If there are existing tags in use, great, whether or not they show on the osm.org rendering. If not, then maybe you and others can think of tagging that represents things properly - get the semantics right, leave the rendering to the renderers. Best Dan 2014-11-04 3:28 GMT+00:00 johnw jo...@mac.com: Went hiking on mt Miyogi yesterday in Gunma, and like other steep mountain parks, sections of the trail were near vertical or completely vertical sections of trail that have to be climbed by chains and occasional footholds. the longest was over 30m. the shortest was about 4m. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/36.2861/138.7454 http://www.gunmajet.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/photo_02-copy.jpg someone posted up the route they took, and the hiking maps show the easier trail in blue (his yellow route, it goes over a section of chain.) and the dangerous ones in red. Chains area also used to show access to features near the trail via chain assisted climbing The current tail map needs to be expanded, and I want to work on that. but I’m wondering how to visually show that chains are necessary. I know other trails in other countries have similar permanent guide fixtures (cables, ropes, ladders in the rock,) where normal hikers are expected to use them. now, you might think that this is considered climbing, and you’d have a helmet, but people were scampering up the rocks, old guys and 10 year olds alike. These “blue” sections were considered passable by regular hikers, and the upper level sections of the mountain were all marked for professional climbers (“red” routes with the red 危 splat) because a slip off the trail or the chain would mean death (200m drops). is there some method to tagging these that is rendered (that’s not steps) to visually show that chains or other assist devices are used? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains
-Original Message- From: Mike Thompson [mailto:miketh...@gmail.com] Sent: martedì 4 novembre 2014 04:35 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains Is this the type of thing you are talking about: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata Depending on the length of the assisted section, you might also consider this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Safety_measures_on_hiking_trails Alberto ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains
2014-11-04 10:18 GMT+01:00 Alberto Nogaro bartosom...@yahoo.it: Is this the type of thing you are talking about: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata Depending on the length of the assisted section, you might also consider this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Safety_measures_on_hiking_trails +1 you might also have a look at these tags: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale maybe also this one: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Obstacle cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains
Thanks Alberto, Mike Martin for the suggestions. I was a avid hiker in the US, but this was the first time for me to encounter such assistance devices myself. never knew their collective name until now. Dan - I understand about “tagging for the renderer” , but what you personally consider your “creation” when you are working affects your motivation. Some people here are tagging to make a complete dataset of tags, some are tagging for making a good looking map via OSM’s renderer in -carto, and some are using the dataset for their own project. Personally, I want the -carto map to be the best it can be, so I consider that my output. I try to give useful input in -carto and here, so I’d like it tagged correctly and rendered in a nice manner. however they both get done. On Nov 4, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-04 10:18 GMT+01:00 Alberto Nogaro bartosom...@yahoo.it mailto:bartosom...@yahoo.it: Is this the type of thing you are talking about: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata Depending on the length of the assisted section, you might also consider this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Safety_measures_on_hiking_trails http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Safety_measures_on_hiking_trails +1 you might also have a look at these tags: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale maybe also this one: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Obstacle http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Obstacle cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 07:54:46PM +0900, johnw wrote: Thanks Alberto, Mike Martin for the suggestions. I was a avid hiker in the US, but this was the first time for me to encounter such assistance devices myself. never knew their collective name until now. Dan - I understand about “tagging for the renderer” , but what you personally consider your “creation” when you are working affects your motivation. Some people here are tagging to make a complete dataset of tags, some are tagging for making a good looking map via OSM’s renderer in -carto, and some are using the dataset for their own project. Personally, I want the -carto map to be the best it can be, so I consider that my output. I try to give useful input in -carto and here, so I’d like it tagged correctly and rendered in a nice manner. however they both get done. check out openandromaps.org - it does render via_ferrata and many other outdoor features not yet rendered in mapnik. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains
Went hiking on mt Miyogi yesterday in Gunma, and like other steep mountain parks, sections of the trail were near vertical or completely vertical sections of trail that have to be climbed by chains and occasional footholds. the longest was over 30m. the shortest was about 4m. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/36.2861/138.7454 http://www.gunmajet.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/photo_02-copy.jpg someone posted up the route they took, and the hiking maps show the easier trail in blue (his yellow route, it goes over a section of chain.) and the dangerous ones in red. Chains area also used to show access to features near the trail via chain assisted climbing The current tail map needs to be expanded, and I want to work on that. but I’m wondering how to visually show that chains are necessary. I know other trails in other countries have similar permanent guide fixtures (cables, ropes, ladders in the rock,) where normal hikers are expected to use them. now, you might think that this is considered climbing, and you’d have a helmet, but people were scampering up the rocks, old guys and 10 year olds alike. These “blue” sections were considered passable by regular hikers, and the upper level sections of the mountain were all marked for professional climbers (“red” routes with the red 危 splat) because a slip off the trail or the chain would mean death (200m drops). is there some method to tagging these that is rendered (that’s not steps) to visually show that chains or other assist devices are used?___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Pathways with steep vertical slopes, accessed via climbing chains
Is this the type of thing you are talking about: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata Mike On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 8:28 PM, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: Went hiking on mt Miyogi yesterday in Gunma, and like other steep mountain parks, sections of the trail were near vertical or completely vertical sections of trail that have to be climbed by chains and occasional footholds. the longest was over 30m. the shortest was about 4m. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/36.2861/138.7454 http://www.gunmajet.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/photo_02-copy.jpg someone posted up the route they took, and the hiking maps show the easier trail in blue (his yellow route, it goes over a section of chain.) and the dangerous ones in red. Chains area also used to show access to features near the trail via chain assisted climbing The current tail map needs to be expanded, and I want to work on that. but I’m wondering how to visually show that chains are necessary. I know other trails in other countries have similar permanent guide fixtures (cables, ropes, ladders in the rock,) where normal hikers are expected to use them. now, you might think that this is considered climbing, and you’d have a helmet, but people were scampering up the rocks, old guys and 10 year olds alike. These “blue” sections were considered passable by regular hikers, and the upper level sections of the mountain were all marked for professional climbers (“red” routes with the red 危 splat) because a slip off the trail or the chain would mean death (200m drops). is there some method to tagging these that is rendered (that’s not steps) to visually show that chains or other assist devices are used? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
