Re: [Tagging] Proposal - Key:access=restricted

[Jarek Piórkowski]

Reposting to mailing list, after henkevdb sent to my personal email

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 14:16, henkevdb  wrote:
> watercourses ( in Belgium anyway) are (mostly) open to the 'general
> public', so , access=no (with description ; "No access for the general
> public.") is not good then

Don't set general access tag then, and set only what is restricted.
motor_vehicle=private?

> ... also, access=private is not good because
> of description ; "Only with individual permission" ...

What is the problem with this description? Remember that we're tagging
for the general case. If there is an natural emergency and an army
vehicle needs to use it, motor_vehicle wouldn't stop them, and we
shouldn't tag for it.

> also this 'case'
> is better 'suitable' with access=restricted ->
> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=736136#p736136

access=no, and don't tag highly exceptional uses IMO

Otherwise did you also change the maxheight tag because of the guy
raising the one cable in the photo?
Would you retag a cycleway to exceptional_traffic=emergency if you see
a firefighting vehicle standing on it one day while responding to a
fire?

--Jarek

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Re: [Tagging] Proposal - Key:access=restricted

[Jarek Piórkowski]

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 12:54, henkevdb  wrote:
> Possibility to 'introduce' a Key:access=restricted ... with description ; 
> traffic only open for mentioned*=yes .

IMHO: What is the advantage over using access=no? access=no already
compounds like this. This also works in parallel with existing
schemes, like restriction=no_left_turn + except=bus.

> Could be a simple 'replacement' for several others, like i.e. ;
>
> access=restricted + agricultural=yes (because ;"Only for agricultural 
> traffic")
> and access=restricted + forestry=yes (because; "Only for forestry traffic.")

access=no + agricultural=yes
access=no + forestry=yes

More specific tag overrides the general "access" tag

> and access=restricted + delivery=yes (because; "Only when delivering to the 
> element")

access=delivery is in the wiki table and already has 12000 uses
Possibly many cases can be described as access=destination which has
247000 uses

> Because there is some 'confusing' for several 'cases' -> 
> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=65458

highway=track + foot=yes + bicycle=yes + motor_vehicle=private should
cover it, optionally also access=no (which is then overridden for
foot=yes, bicycle=no, motor_vehicle=private)

You said in the forum "not such a good tag for paths along
watercourses" to access=private but I don't really understand why you
think this.

--Jarek

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[Tagging] Proposal - Key:access=restricted

[henkevdb]

Possibility to 'introduce' a Key:access=restricted 
 ... with 
description ; /*traffic only open for mentioned*=yes*/ .


Could be a simple 'replacement' for several others, like i.e. ;

access=restricted + agricultural=yes (because ;"Only for agricultural 
traffic")


and access=restricted + forestry=yes (because; "Only for forestry 
traffic.")


and access=restricted + delivery=yes (because; "Only when delivering to 
the element")


and so on ...

Because there is some 'confusing' for several 'cases' -> 
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=65458


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