Re: [Tagging] Setting as access=official as abandoned/deprecated

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2016-10-02 11:26 GMT+02:00 Joachim :

> I want to set the access=official proposal[1] to abandoned and the
> feature page[2] to deprecated. Since this tag is mostly used in
> Germany I have documented the case in the german forum[3] and got only
> positive feedback so far.
>


I don't think "abandoned" is appropriate here, because looking at actual
usage history, foot=official is still (slowly) growing, with more than
20.000 instances as of now. Bicycle=official is more or less stable with
~9K uses and access=official is slowly diminishing (ca. 4K) and
horse=official is stable at around 1000.

We might consider to "deprecate" the use of this tag. I would expect a
proposal for this, or at least unanimous decision on this list.




>
> Key points in english:
> - compared to designated, official is used much less (foot 3.3%,
> bicycle 2.0%, horse 4.1%, psv 15,1%)
>


has it the same documented meaning? AFAIK the reason why it was introduced
at the time was that people claimed different meanings for "designated"



> - The usage apart from foot=official is not increasing since 2014 [4]
>


actually bicycle=official also has slightly increased since then.



> - Regarding the main pages, Wiki currently uses it only on
> Tag:access=designated, Key:bicycle_road
> - designated is now defined as official was meant to be regarding
> "dedicated usage"
> - designated is not defined as official regarding access - designated
> still allows other traffic
> - wanderreitkarte.de uses blue signs for official and grey for designated
> - iD does not use official
> - JOSM does use it in the Road Signs plugin and some presets as drop-down
>
> Is anybody against this change?
>


I think it could be OK to give this tag up (if designated has agreedly the
same meaning), but it should be actively decided. The wiki documents actual
usage, and as long as people add new foot and bicycle=official tags to
objects (and some maps display them specifically) we can hardly consider
this "abandoned".

Cheers,
Martin
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[Tagging] Setting as access=official as abandoned/deprecated

[Joachim]

I want to set the access=official proposal[1] to abandoned and the
feature page[2] to deprecated. Since this tag is mostly used in
Germany I have documented the case in the german forum[3] and got only
positive feedback so far.

Key points in english:
- compared to designated, official is used much less (foot 3.3%,
bicycle 2.0%, horse 4.1%, psv 15,1%)
- The usage apart from foot=official is not increasing since 2014 [4]
- Regarding the main pages, Wiki currently uses it only on
Tag:access=designated, Key:bicycle_road
- designated is now defined as official was meant to be regarding
"dedicated usage"
- designated is not defined as official regarding access - designated
still allows other traffic
- wanderreitkarte.de uses blue signs for official and grey for designated
- iD does not use official
- JOSM does use it in the Road Signs plugin and some presets as drop-down

Is anybody against this change?

Regards Joachim

[1] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Officially_dedicated_usage
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dofficial
[3] http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=55927
[4] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Officially_dedicated_usage#Current_usage_trends

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