Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo
Hi, I try to find a tag for a gymnasium (sports hall) in a school, for a fitness centre in a shopping centre and other sports facilities, but I realised there are no tags the community agreed on except for leisure=sports_centre. This is a complicated issue because of overlapping concepts, our multicultural environment and different needs. For example I just realised that sports hall probably wouldn't even recognised by native english speakers. I think we should have a sport facilities page in the wiki where we can list and define all the facilities and their required property tags in the first place. From there we could start off the different feature proposals, but (mostly) we cannot discuss them separately as they are connected on so many levels. Am I on the right track here? OR... we could use the de facto standards the community use (and possibly document them in the wiki). Namely: - I wouldn't use leisure=gym as it is confusing. - I would tag a gymnasium(sports hall) in a school as leisure=gymnasium - Also, a separate, bigger sports hall gymnasium with spectator's stand as leisure=gymnasium. Or leisure=arena? - An outdoor gym as leisure=outdoor_gym - A fitness studio as leisure=fitness_studio and have tags as solarium=yes, sauna=yes, massage=no - etc Well, these are my preferences, not definitely what the community use mostly. So, goto 1? :) Anyway, I would ditch leisure tag and change all tags to amenity as it always confuses me, but probably there are higher reasons for its existence, so don't take this seriously. regards herrbert74 Zsolt Bertalan On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: On 4/10/2011 1:09 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: PPS--In the US, gymnasium is definitely not limited to places where people do gymnastics, as mike said it's a large indoor room for a variety of sports--like basketball and volleyball--and also sometimes events like assemblies or dances. ... at a school. The long form of the word would normally cause one to think about such a multi-purpose building at a high school or elementary school. Colleges and universities generally have separate facilities for some of those things and name them more specifically. I never hear someone refer to one of the commercial fitness centers as a gymnasium. Here the county parks department operates recreation centers/gyms: http://www.**orlandomagicocflgyms.net/http://www.orlandomagicocflgyms.net/(the Magic paid for these gyms as part of the deal to get a new arena) __**_ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/tagginghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo
2012/2/11 Zsolt Bertalan herrber...@gmail.com: Namely: - I wouldn't use leisure=gym as it is confusing. +1 - I would tag a gymnasium(sports hall) in a school as leisure=gymnasium +1 - Also, a separate, bigger sports hall gymnasium with spectator's stand as leisure=gymnasium. Or leisure=arena? not sure. - An outdoor gym as leisure=outdoor_gym what is the difference to a pitch? - A fitness studio as leisure=fitness_studio and have tags as solarium=yes, sauna=yes, massage=no isn't that a leisure=gym ? btw.: leisure=gym is only used 63 times http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=leisure%3Dgym amenity=gym 638 times http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=amenity%3Dgym (I'd prefer leisure for consistency) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo
I would recommend not to use the word 'gymnasium, because it is easily confused (and even recognised by google translate) as high school in russian language. We already have a lot of pitches mapped as stadium because a pitch near the school is called stadium in ex-ussr :3 -- Darafei Komяpa Praliaskouski OSM BY Team - http://openstreetmap.by/ xmpp:m...@komzpa.net mailto:m...@komzpa.net ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo
On 11/02/2012 12:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: - I would tag a gymnasium(sports hall) in a school as leisure=gymnasium My school had a gym(nasium) and a sports hall. The latter was used for things like 5-a-side football, basketball, badminton (several courts side by side) and had virtually no windows to break. The gym had vaulting horses, wall bars, quoits, rubber mats, and one whole wall was glazed, so unsuitable for kicking balls around. - An outdoor gym as leisure=outdoor_gym what is the difference to a pitch? This is an outdoor gym: http://www.naturistfoundation.org/images/keep_fit_area.jpg -- Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Komяpa m...@komzpa.net wrote: I would recommend not to use the word 'gymnasium, because it is easily confused (and even recognised by google translate) as high school in russian language. Also in Swedish and German, I think. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo
At 2011-04-09 20:41, Brad Neuhauser wrote: PS--To me, fitness centre would eliminate any possible confusion with other usages of gym or gymnasium, but if gym has already been in wide usage, it'll do. +1 Not that I spend any time there myself :-|, but people that do almost universally call them gym(s). PPS--In the US, gymnasium is definitely not limited to places where people do gymnastics, as mike said it's a large indoor room for a variety of sports--like basketball and volleyball--and also sometimes events like assemblies or dances. ... at a school. The long form of the word would normally cause one to think about such a multi-purpose building at a high school or elementary school. Colleges and universities generally have separate facilities for some of those things and name them more specifically. I never hear someone refer to one of the commercial fitness centers as a gymnasium. I noticed a note on the bottom of the page that a bot changed ~1500 gyms to sport=gymnastics!? If so, that was almost certainly wrong if people have been using the term as per US common usage. -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo
Hi, just following up on the gym/fitness centre thread. I found the talk page [1] where this discussion has apparently been going on for a couple years (I know, shocking, isn't it?). I noticed a note on the bottom of the page that a bot changed ~1500 gyms to sport=gymnastics!? Anyone know if this is accurate? It would certainly explain the relative lack of gyms... Cheers, Brad PS--To me, fitness centre would eliminate any possible confusion with other usages of gym or gymnasium, but if gym has already been in wide usage, it'll do. PPS--In the US, gymnasium is definitely not limited to places where people do gymnastics, as mike said it's a large indoor room for a variety of sports--like basketball and volleyball--and also sometimes events like assemblies or dances. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Gym On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 7:48 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 15:24 -0400, Richard Weait wrote: Also locally, a gymnasium is a large indoor sport floor which can be configured for multiple sports like gymnastics, basketball, volleyball, murderball, etc. taginfo says only 16 instances of leisure=gymnasium are in OSM at the moment. A lone gymnasium would seem unusual around here. They are typically included as part of a leisure=sports_centre. Does that match with experiences elsewhere? Is the distinction between gym and gymnasium too fine? Should synonyms be found? I think the distinction is fairly clear. A 'gymnasium' is where gymnastics are done (such as spring board, horse, and various rolls and flips. A 'gym' is more where you stay in one place (or move from location to location after a period of time) but specifically target one area, for example bench-press, chin-ups or sit-ups/push-ups. And what about martial arts dojos? Amenity=dojo and sport=dojo are rare indeed with only a handful of entries. I suspect that in western culture, gyms are much more common than dojo's. The fact that theyre rare in OSM, I believe is indicative of their relative rarity (when compared to gyms) in the western world. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo
May will be sport and activity month for Project of the Week / Project of the Month. Some aspects of tags in this space are well understood and widely used. Can we clear up a few more of them? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=sports_centre might include racquet sport courts, a gymnasium, exercise equipment, a running track and an ice hockey rink. leisure=pitch, sport=* is well established. What is the ideal tagging for a shop with exercise equipment for use. Treadmills, stair climbers, stationary bikes, free weights and weight machines for use by members. Local slang here might call that a gym. amenity=gym is used in ~400 locations with sport=gym and leisure=gym each near 50. Also locally, a gymnasium is a large indoor sport floor which can be configured for multiple sports like gymnastics, basketball, volleyball, murderball, etc. taginfo says only 16 instances of leisure=gymnasium are in OSM at the moment. A lone gymnasium would seem unusual around here. They are typically included as part of a leisure=sports_centre. Does that match with experiences elsewhere? Is the distinction between gym and gymnasium too fine? Should synonyms be found? And what about martial arts dojos? Amenity=dojo and sport=dojo are rare indeed with only a handful of entries. A dojo might be part of a gym that has a sport floor or held as an event at a sports_centre. Others are stand alone businesses. Around here, they are often in a retail store front, with a sport fioor of some sort, and changing rooms. They might also sell some of the tools or clothing associated with the sport. I'm inclined towards amenity=dojo, sport=martial_arts, martial_art=$specific_art ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo
What you refer to as gym sounds like what I'd call a health club or fitness club. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_club Is it supposed to be tagged as sports centre? The wiki description makes me think a sports centre is a pretty large structure, whereas there are some pretty small health club locations. Regarding dojos, is there something that could apply more generally than dojo (which seems to usually be used for martial arts)? For example, there is a fencing club near me, or what about a small aerobics or yoga studio? Thanks, Brad On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: May will be sport and activity month for Project of the Week / Project of the Month. Some aspects of tags in this space are well understood and widely used. Can we clear up a few more of them? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=sports_centre might include racquet sport courts, a gymnasium, exercise equipment, a running track and an ice hockey rink. leisure=pitch, sport=* is well established. What is the ideal tagging for a shop with exercise equipment for use. Treadmills, stair climbers, stationary bikes, free weights and weight machines for use by members. Local slang here might call that a gym. amenity=gym is used in ~400 locations with sport=gym and leisure=gym each near 50. Also locally, a gymnasium is a large indoor sport floor which can be configured for multiple sports like gymnastics, basketball, volleyball, murderball, etc. taginfo says only 16 instances of leisure=gymnasium are in OSM at the moment. A lone gymnasium would seem unusual around here. They are typically included as part of a leisure=sports_centre. Does that match with experiences elsewhere? Is the distinction between gym and gymnasium too fine? Should synonyms be found? And what about martial arts dojos? Amenity=dojo and sport=dojo are rare indeed with only a handful of entries. A dojo might be part of a gym that has a sport floor or held as an event at a sports_centre. Others are stand alone businesses. Around here, they are often in a retail store front, with a sport fioor of some sort, and changing rooms. They might also sell some of the tools or clothing associated with the sport. I'm inclined towards amenity=dojo, sport=martial_arts, martial_art=$specific_art ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo
On 4/8/2011 4:05 PM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: What you refer to as gym sounds like what I'd call a health club or fitness club. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_club Is it supposed to be tagged as sports centre? The wiki description makes me think a sports centre is a pretty large structure, whereas there are some pretty small health club locations. I agree that a fitness club/center doesn't fit well as a sports centre - which I would visualize as having multiple types of facilities for competitive and/or community social purposes. I also think that Fitness center is the best overall category name; xxx club has negative or exclusive connotations in the US because of restrictive, scammy, or 1-sided contracts. Regarding dojos, is there something that could apply more generally than dojo (which seems to usually be used for martial arts)? For example, there is a fencing club near me, or what about a small aerobics or yoga studio? I run across the small sport fencing / aerobics / yoga / pilates types of facilities frequently. It would seem that leisure=pitch sport=yoga/pilates/areobic_dance/fence... could be fit as a stretch. Otherwise it would equally fit as leisure=fitness_centre sport=yoga/pilates/areobic_dance/fence/mixed... Or leisure=fitness_centre weight_machines=yes aerobics=yes yoga=yes pilates=yes fencing=yes ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo
On 9 April 2011 05:24, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure=sports_centre might include racquet sport courts, a gymnasium, exercise equipment, a running track and an ice hockey rink. Around here, that might also include an indoor sports centre (indoor cricket, soccer, beach volleyball, etc) What is the ideal tagging for a shop with exercise equipment for use. Treadmills, stair climbers, stationary bikes, free weights and weight machines for use by members. Local slang here might call that a gym. amenity=gym is used in ~400 locations with sport=gym and leisure=gym each near 50. We'd call that a gym as well, even though the sign might say fitness centre. Also locally, a gymnasium is a large indoor sport floor which can be configured for multiple sports like gymnastics, basketball, volleyball, murderball, etc. taginfo says only 16 instances of leisure=gymnasium are in OSM at the moment. A lone gymnasium would seem unusual around here. They are typically included as part of a leisure=sports_centre. Does that match with experiences elsewhere? We rarely see them alone, but there would be more of them at schools and camps around here than sports centres, though they have them too. Is the distinction between gym and gymnasium too fine? Should synonyms be found? Probably not a bad idea. When I was at school, we used to call the school gymnasium the gym. Though now, when I hear the word gym, I expect it to be the fitness/weight training type place instead. I don't really care what the tag is, as long as if you search for gym in the wiki it directs you to the tag we decide on. Stephen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo
On 9 April 2011 06:27, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: I agree that a fitness club/center doesn't fit well as a sports centre - which I would visualize as having multiple types of facilities for competitive and/or community social purposes. A sports centre doesn't have to have mixed sports (though most do). A place that has four or five basketball courts, some with spectator seating, others several to a hall for practice and league games is still a sports centre, even though there's only one sport played there. Stephen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Sports_centre, gym, dojo
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 15:24 -0400, Richard Weait wrote: Also locally, a gymnasium is a large indoor sport floor which can be configured for multiple sports like gymnastics, basketball, volleyball, murderball, etc. taginfo says only 16 instances of leisure=gymnasium are in OSM at the moment. A lone gymnasium would seem unusual around here. They are typically included as part of a leisure=sports_centre. Does that match with experiences elsewhere? Is the distinction between gym and gymnasium too fine? Should synonyms be found? I think the distinction is fairly clear. A 'gymnasium' is where gymnastics are done (such as spring board, horse, and various rolls and flips. A 'gym' is more where you stay in one place (or move from location to location after a period of time) but specifically target one area, for example bench-press, chin-ups or sit-ups/push-ups. And what about martial arts dojos? Amenity=dojo and sport=dojo are rare indeed with only a handful of entries. I suspect that in western culture, gyms are much more common than dojo's. The fact that theyre rare in OSM, I believe is indicative of their relative rarity (when compared to gyms) in the western world. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
