Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
2011/4/28 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: That doesnt detract from the original question, of what to map a site of historic significance. historic=event and event=event-class? or historic:event=yes/event-class ? the ever useful, never descriptive tourism=attraction could also be used. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
On 28 April 2011 17:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: historic=event and event=event-class? or historic:event=yes/event-class ? I like this suggestion. I noticed in JOSM there is a historic=battlefield, but this and other similar events, like David's suggestion about the great train robbery, would be good to be grouped together so they render even if they aren't more specifically rendered. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
2011/4/28 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net On 4/27/11 8:47 PM, John Smith wrote: If people can tag trees, surely things of historical significants deserve to be allowed in OSM as well. identifiable, physical objects that exist today, sure. the phase maps i want to do for the battle of antietam (September 1862), not so much. I guess you're absolutely right, but here we aren't talking about battle phase maps. For example, I've mapped memorial sites related to battles of the Italian Risorgimento, but not the place where the battles themselves took place. Also, I've mapped many plates dedicated to kings, soldiers and patriots, because they're things that are permanently on the ground. On the other hand it would be great to make battle phase maps, but I doubt OSM is useful for this. If I think of the Battle of Palestro (May 31th, 1859), I can name at least a couple of major roads that didn't exist at the time. Also, cities and towns were much smaller then; even the course of the nearby river has quite changed (and it would be important in the battle, as some French and Savoy troops crossed the river and almost surrounded the Austrian army, a crucial event in the battle). You could use OSM's backend as a data manager, but you would have to re-create the map almost from scratch. richard Regards, Simone ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
2011/4/28 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: phase maps. For example, I've mapped memorial sites related to battles of the Italian Risorgimento, but not the place where the battles themselves took place. Also, I've mapped many plates dedicated to kings, soldiers and patriots, because they're things that are permanently on the ground. Yes, it would be nice to connect these plates to the actual places, if they are not identical. This is something that could be done in OSM like I would like to connect the original place where an obelisk once was set up with the place it now is. This could be done with relations. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
Historical event geotagging could rapidly get out of hand. This feels to me very much orthogonal to OSM - almost every news story, photo, work of art, etc arguably deserves a geotag, but hardly any of them deserve to be in OSM. A separate database is where things like this should reside, where a historic or art-themed map UI presents them, perhaps on top of a (faded) standard Mapnik rendering of OSM. In the case of this picture, I think it would make most sense to add the latlong to its Wikipedia page, then add a Wikipedia layer to your map. I haven't tried layering general Wikipedia info myself but you may find these links useful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Coord http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates#Export_multiple_coordinates http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Georeferenzierung/Wikipedia-World/en http://maps.google.de/maps?q=http:%2F%2Ftoolserver.org%2F~kolossos%2Fgeoworld%2FWP-world-maps.php%3Flang%3Denie=UTF8om=1ll=51.499179,-0.126021spn=0.011902,0.018582z=16 - L On 24 Apr 2011, at 03:40, John Smith wrote: Does any one have any thoughts on what to tag a location famous for 2 reasons, first it was a spot where a stage coach was held up by thunderbolt, secondly because someone did a painting of the event after the event: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailed_Up There is no marker at the site or anything else to identify the site, the only thing I can think of is something like historic=historical_site, but that seems a bit redundant... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
On 4/27/11 2:33 PM, Laurence Penney wrote: Historical event geotagging could rapidly get out of hand. This feels to me very much orthogonal to OSM - almost every news story, photo, work of art, etc arguably deserves a geotag, but hardly any of them deserve to be in OSM. A separate database is where things like this should reside, where a historic or art-themed map UI presents them, perhaps on top of a (faded) standard Mapnik rendering of OSM. we are discussing setting up a server (under the auspices of OSM US) which can serve as a laboratory for historic event tagging (among other things). it will be possible to set up different databases that can be overlaid on top of the core OSM tiles to display different historical maps. i agree that great historic detail should not go in the core OSM database, it's exactly the sort of stuff you want to do as a mashup. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 19:33 +0100, Laurence Penney wrote: Historical event geotagging could rapidly get out of hand. This feels to me very much orthogonal to OSM - almost every news story, photo, work of art, etc arguably deserves a geotag, but hardly any of them deserve to be in OSM. I agree in part, but this isnt just any news story or photo. Surely the fact that this piece is publicly displayed by the countries national gallery, gives it some deservedness to be in OSM. That doesnt detract from the original question, of what to map a site of historic significance. Im sure the location of the great train robbery or an the location of the site of an air disaster would be of interest to some people, especially those tourists travelling in the area. To me, OSM isnt just about street maps, its about finding out-of-the-way places and finding (or following others) ways to get there. David On 24 Apr 2011, at 03:40, John Smith wrote: Does any one have any thoughts on what to tag a location famous for 2 reasons, first it was a spot where a stage coach was held up by thunderbolt, secondly because someone did a painting of the event after the event: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailed_Up There is no marker at the site or anything else to identify the site, the only thing I can think of is something like historic=historical_site, but that seems a bit redundant... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
On 28 April 2011 10:35, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I agree in part, but this isnt just any news story or photo. +1 That doesnt detract from the original question, of what to map a site of historic significance. Im sure the location of the great train robbery or an the location of the site of an air disaster would be of interest to some people, especially those tourists travelling in the area. To me, OSM isnt just about street maps, its about finding out-of-the-way places and finding (or following others) ways to get there. If people can tag trees, surely things of historical significants deserve to be allowed in OSM as well. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
On 4/27/11 8:47 PM, John Smith wrote: If people can tag trees, surely things of historical significants deserve to be allowed in OSM as well. identifiable, physical objects that exist today, sure. the phase maps i want to do for the battle of antietam (September 1862), not so much. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
On 28 April 2011 11:40, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 4/27/11 8:47 PM, John Smith wrote: If people can tag trees, surely things of historical significants deserve to be allowed in OSM as well. identifiable, physical objects that exist today, sure. That's the catch, there is no marker signifying the location in this instance, instead a painting of the location and event were made which now hangs in the national museum. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] What to map a site of historical significants...
Does any one have any thoughts on what to tag a location famous for 2 reasons, first it was a spot where a stage coach was held up by thunderbolt, secondly because someone did a painting of the event after the event: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailed_Up There is no marker at the site or anything else to identify the site, the only thing I can think of is something like historic=historical_site, but that seems a bit redundant... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
