Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 10:39:55AM +1100, Warin wrote: > On 20/01/19 09:00, Richard wrote: > >Hi, > > > >renamed it to > >https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_to_map_for_the_needs_of_people_with_disabilities > > > >hope it is not too offensive for now and can be renamed later. > > > The map is of features ... not needs... ummm > > 'Mapping features that cater for people with disabilities'??? not all features are special for the disabled, also mapping many general purpose features can help: barriers, kerbs.. Anyway, created a section in the Talkpage to collect possible alternative names for the page. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
On 20/01/19 09:00, Richard wrote: Hi, renamed it to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_to_map_for_the_needs_of_people_with_disabilities hope it is not too offensive for now and can be renamed later. The map is of features ... not needs... ummm 'Mapping features that cater for people with disabilities'??? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
Hi, renamed it to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_to_map_for_the_needs_of_people_with_disabilities hope it is not too offensive for now and can be renamed later. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 20:45, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > It was mentioned earlier that both handicapped & disabled are no longer > "nice" words, & are currently changing to "special needs". > > So how about "Mapping the special needs of people with disabilities"? > But that still mentions "disabilities." So if you want to avoid the terms that are no longer "nice" then "Mapping for people with special needs." However, whilst that is unambiguous in Leftpondia, over here in Rightpondia it is often associated with education rather than used as a more general term. But you can probably get away with it. Not that it matters much. "Special needs" is also destined for the scrap heap of euphemisms that are now used as insults. It's too easy to use it insultingly. We won't have a stable term until it's longer and harder to say. So be prepared to rename the page at some future time. Think I'm joking? There are a number of medical conditions with similar symptoms. Not long after the end of WWII an umbrella term was coined for them. The parents of sufferers were literally *overjoyed* that there was now a name for the condition because it was no longer perceived as being ignored by the medical profession. In 1946 the Scottish Council for the Care of Spastics was formed; in 1951 the Spastics Society was formed in England. Those attitudes changed when "spastic," "spaz" and "spazbo" became insults children hurled at one another. Although "spastic" is not seen as being particularly bad in the US, it is considered very offensive in the UK. And so now, in the UK, we use the term "cerebral palsy sufferer" instead of "spastic." It's hard to casually hurl "cerebral palsy sufferer" as an insult. And so it is with "special needs." "Handicapped" was once a term indicating god had balanced an unusually good soul with physical difficulties so that it would not have an unfair advantage. But that became used disparagingly, so "disabled" was used. But those with special needs felt that was too dismissive and that they were* differently* abled. But that didn't last and now they have special needs. But already that can be used insultingly by referring to somebody as "special" in a certain tone of voice. None of the above is intended to disparage those who face challenges in their lives. Their problems are real and they deserve our help in making OSM cater to their needs. It's a rant against humanity in general for turning what should be sympathetic terms into insults, only ceasing to do so when we come up with terms too unwieldy to be used insultingly. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 00:57, Philip Barnes wrote: > > On 15 January 2019 10:02:34 GMT, althio wrote: > > How to map for the needs of people with disabilities. > It was mentioned earlier that both handicapped & disabled are no longer "nice" words, & are currently changing to "special needs". So how about "Mapping the special needs of people with disabilities"? Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
On 15 January 2019 10:02:34 GMT, althio wrote: >That sounds strange to me. >I would not say we "map the needs", I would say we "map features or >equipment", for people with particular needs (such as people with >disabilities). > >I preferred "mapping _for_ the needs..." > No problem with that. How to map for the needs of people with disabilities. Phil (trigpoint) >-- althio > >On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 10:15, Sergio Manzi wrote: >> >> Perfect! >> >> On 2019-01-15 10:00, Philip Barnes wrote: >> > How to map the needs of people with disabilities >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > >___ >Tagging mailing list >Tagging@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
That sounds strange to me. I would not say we "map the needs", I would say we "map features or equipment", for people with particular needs (such as people with disabilities). I preferred "mapping _for_ the needs..." -- althio On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 10:15, Sergio Manzi wrote: > > Perfect! > > On 2019-01-15 10:00, Philip Barnes wrote: > > How to map the needs of people with disabilities > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
Perfect! On 2019-01-15 10:00, Philip Barnes wrote: > How to map the needs of people with disabilities smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
On 14 January 2019 19:15:04 GMT, Richard wrote: >On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 11:43:15AM +, Paul Allen wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 22:37, Philip Barnes >wrote: > >it is a howto, so I will rename it accordingly.. not quite sure yet >which >name to choose: > >* Howto mapping for the needs of handicapped persons >* Howto mapping for the needs of disabled persons > >... better ideas? > >Richard > How to map the needs of people with disabilities. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 11:43:15AM +, Paul Allen wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 22:37, Philip Barnes wrote: it is a howto, so I will rename it accordingly.. not quite sure yet which name to choose: * Howto mapping for the needs of handicapped persons * Howto mapping for the needs of disabled persons ... better ideas? Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 22:37, Philip Barnes wrote: > > The word handicap in this context is very outdated. It is likely to be > seen as condescending. > Off-topic, but "handicapped" was once considered the preferred term. It came from a worldview influenced by religion, that God had caused people to be born differently in order to make life fairer: they were such good souls that they needed to be handicapped (as race horses are) in order that they didn't have an unfair advantage over the others. And it was considered better than epithets like "cripple" that were used disparagingly. Of course, human nature being what it is, the term "handicapped" came to be used disparagingly. So now people are "disabled" instead. Except that is also being increasingly used disparagingly, so people now have special needs. To bring it back on topic, I suspect that whatever term is chosen, in a few decades it will be frowned upon in favour of a new term. I wish it were otherwise, but human nature has already required the serial invention of euphemisms for many things because well-intentioned terms become used, by some, in a disparaging way. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:36:16PM +, Philip Barnes wrote: > Hi Richard > The word handicap in this context is very outdated. It is likely to be seen > as condescending. > > I would suggest changing to disability. ok, didn't like the name myself .. created yeat another redirect for now and will try to rename it later. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
Hi Richard The word handicap in this context is very outdated. It is likely to be seen as condescending. I would suggest changing to disability. Cheers Phil (trigpoint) On 11 January 2019 22:18:01 GMT, Richard wrote: >Hi, > >collected the information that I found here: > >https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Handicap > >Please add and fix descriptions, add redirects and links > >Richard > > >___ >Tagging mailing list >Tagging@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Yay, new howto map for diabilities created in wiki
Hi, collected the information that I found here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Handicap Please add and fix descriptions, add redirects and links Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
