Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [talk-be] )

2012-11-21 Thread A.Pirard.Papou

Hi,

Thanks for all the replies.  I will add those POIs to OSM.
This post is asking taggers and OSMOSE, OSMI et al customers to check that

 * the highlighted fake node's tags are correct and everything that's
   needed for the genuine way's tag
 * the nodes are, /*or what should be changed to be*/, visible in OSM*
   et al but not obtrusive
 * the instructions are understandable (style suggestions welcome)

Let's be sure to be definitive, once started to be removed, there will 
be no comeback.
I have presently added one sample at 50.53035 5.71307 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2024133661.
The JOSM filter /*maxspeed:30*/ (or /*:**/ for any speed) with I(nvert) 
check mark displays only speed limits, fake or real.



2012/11/20 Jo winfi...@gmail.com mailto:winfi...@gmail.com
What you really want to do is apply the speed limits to the OSM ways:

maxspeed=30
source:maxspeed=zone30.

But the source file has nodes.

Is there a way to feed all these nodes into Openstreetbugs 
automatically and then ask the Belgian population to fix those 
'bugs'/'improvement requests' in their region?


Polyglot

Ja, это είναι waß yo will faire :-)
As there were no adverse reactions, I will globally move all the POIs to 
OSM swiftly.

I trust the promoters of this project will organize the update and removal.
I formerly suggested a way of doing it (alerting volunteer taggers of 
OpenStreetBugs updates).


On 2012-11-20 10:56, Stefano Fraccaro wrote :

It's not possible to apply the same JOSM preset to all nodes at one time?
If the case, maybe I can write a short program to do that (in C# 
language).
Yes it can, Stefano, thanks (otherwise I would have written a perl 
script, they do marvels 
http://www.papou.byethost9.com/maps/OpenLayers_Vector_fast.html?zoom=11lat=50.53654lon=5.53611layers=BFTFT).

It can be done in one revertible operation, by one man.

Here are the tags that will be, let's say by the week end.

created_by=(erased)
note=temporary node until nearby way speed limit is set
*maxspeed=30*
*source:maxspeed=http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=123619*
FIXME:tag same maxpeed and source:maxspeed onto the span of nearby way, 
then delete this node
name[as of source]=states town and street so that incorrect coordinated 
can be detected.


The next phase will be to extract converted and existing (?) limits to 
POI files.

Simplest method, anyone? (I need a rest and something else to do)

Cheers,

André.


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Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [talk-be] )

2012-11-21 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer


Am 21/nov/2012 um 11:25 schrieb A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com:

 created_by=(erased)
 note=temporary node until nearby way speed limit is set
 maxspeed=30
 source:maxspeed=http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=123619
 FIXME:tag same maxpeed and source:maxspeed onto the span of nearby way, then 
 delete this node
 name[as of source]=states town and street so that incorrect coordinated can 
 be detected.


If these nodes do not represent sign positions you shouldn't import them into 
osm IMHO, better put them into open street bugs or similar. There is no point 
in having them in osm in this case, as you can't infer from just a point 
position where the limit applies to, and therefor these nodes are more or less 
useless (they might be a hint where the mapper should make a survey but not 
more).

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Re: [Tagging] Zones 30 in Belgium (from [talk-be] )

2012-11-21 Thread Ronnie Soak
If you have a data set of nodes representing street signs, why don't
you import them as such?

traffic_sign=BE:C43
maxspeed=30
source=?

Of course you still need to manually match those to the ways and tag
the maxspeed=* to them.
But you can use the traffic_sign=* nodes to create a josm filter or
even ask someone from OSMI or keepright to do a check
based on a matching way in close proximity to such sign.

You could list all imported nodes on a wiki page, so they can be
reviewed by actual humans.
I suppose they are not precise enough to 'really' denote the sign post, right?


my 2 cents.
Chaos


2012/11/21 Martin Koppenhöfer dieterdre...@gmail.com:


 Am 21/nov/2012 um 11:25 schrieb A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com:

 created_by=(erased)
 note=temporary node until nearby way speed limit is set
 maxspeed=30
 source:maxspeed=http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=123619
 FIXME:tag same maxpeed and source:maxspeed onto the span of nearby way, then
 delete this node
 name[as of source]=states town and street so that incorrect coordinated can
 be detected.



 If these nodes do not represent sign positions you shouldn't import them
 into osm IMHO, better put them into open street bugs or similar. There is no
 point in having them in osm in this case, as you can't infer from just a
 point position where the limit applies to, and therefor these nodes are more
 or less useless (they might be a hint where the mapper should make a survey
 but not more).

 Cheers,
 Martin

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