Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses
On 4/12/11 7:59 PM, David Murn wrote: On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 12:01 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/12 John Smith: My first idea was "tourist_bus=no" Why not use access:*=* ? Usually we tag foot=no instead of access:foot=no, and I don't see why I should change this standard here. To be fair, using that schema, we also tag ski, horse, vehicle, bicycle, motorcycle, moped, motorcar, goods, hgv, psv, bus, taxi snowmobile, emergency, hazmat, etc. Surely it makes sense to have a standard 'access' class key, rather than having 30 different keys? there are tradeoffs. my only complaint about the "goods=no" model is that there is no capacity to set up different restrictions (days_on/days_off, hours_on/hours_off) but that could be easily fixed by something like goods:hours_on= goods:hours_off= richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses
2011/4/13 David Murn : >> Usually we tag foot=no instead of access:foot=no, and I don't see why >> I should change this standard here. > > To be fair, using that schema, we also tag ski, horse, vehicle, > bicycle, motorcycle, moped, motorcar, goods, hgv, psv, bus, taxi > snowmobile, emergency, hazmat, etc. Surely it makes sense to have a > standard 'access' class key, rather than having 30 different keys? it might be clearer in some cases, but it is not in use. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de:8003/search?q=access#keys there is 30 and less of each of these keys with prepended access. > Just because one method of tagging has more use than another, it doesnt > necessarily mean that its correct or the best way to do it, sure, but if you want to change the way almost all mappers do it, you should at first open a discussion about it. > especially > in the situation of having dozens of access tags (which arent even > classed under access) with different meanings depending on their > context. well, "classing" them under access (the wiki somehow already does this) will still keep it a high number. It will not suddenly become less complex. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 12:01 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/4/12 John Smith : > > >> My first idea was "tourist_bus=no" > > > > Why not use access:*=* ? > > > Usually we tag foot=no instead of access:foot=no, and I don't see why > I should change this standard here. To be fair, using that schema, we also tag ski, horse, vehicle, bicycle, motorcycle, moped, motorcar, goods, hgv, psv, bus, taxi snowmobile, emergency, hazmat, etc. Surely it makes sense to have a standard 'access' class key, rather than having 30 different keys? Just because one method of tagging has more use than another, it doesnt necessarily mean that its correct or the best way to do it, especially in the situation of having dozens of access tags (which arent even classed under access) with different meanings depending on their context. For example, access:emergency is quite different to emergency=*, the former is obviously an access restriction/allowance, the latter is usually used to tag individual emergency nodes such as ambulance/SES stations or fire hoses. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses
2011/4/12 John Smith : > On 12 April 2011 20:36, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Where? I can't find them: > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dbdouble Wikipage modified 13 times, in the database 0 (zero) occurrences ;-) http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de:8001/keys/access%3Abdouble I suggest you change this tagging proposal, so it is consistent with the rest of the access restrictions. Given no objects tagged with this tag a modification should be straight forward. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses
2011/4/12 John Smith : >>> Why not use access:*=* ? >> >> >> Usually we tag foot=no instead of access:foot=no, and I don't see why >> I should change this standard here. > > There is a lot of access:*=* for vehicles, so you would be going against > things. Where? I can't find them: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de:8001/search?q=access#keys are you talking about 188 shoulder:access:bicycle or about 38 access:bus and 33 access:hgv ? compare this to 45187 hgv... cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses
On 12 April 2011 20:01, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/4/12 John Smith : > >>> My first idea was "tourist_bus=no" >> >> Why not use access:*=* ? > > > Usually we tag foot=no instead of access:foot=no, and I don't see why > I should change this standard here. There is a lot of access:*=* for vehicles, so you would be going against things. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses
2011/4/12 John Smith : >> My first idea was "tourist_bus=no" > > Why not use access:*=* ? Usually we tag foot=no instead of access:foot=no, and I don't see why I should change this standard here. My question was: which key is used for "tourist busses". I couldn't find them on the access-page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses
On 12 April 2011 19:22, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Recently I found this sign which I interpret as "access forbidden to > touristic busses": > > http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/6610385 > > It is at a driveway to the local cemetery, near a very popular > monument (unesco world heritage). Do we have to invent another access > tag, or is there already something in use? > > My first idea was "tourist_bus=no" Why not use access:*=* ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] access forbidden for tourist busses
Recently I found this sign which I interpret as "access forbidden to touristic busses": http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/6610385 It is at a driveway to the local cemetery, near a very popular monument (unesco world heritage). Do we have to invent another access tag, or is there already something in use? My first idea was "tourist_bus=no" cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
