Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
tisdag 26 april 2011 07.23.55 skrev Dominik Mahrer: Hi Richard On 04/24/2011 10:46 PM, Richard Welty wrote: maxspeed:hgv=50 mph maxspeed:goods=50 mph Not sure if I'm right, but all the max speed values are in km/h and not in mph. maxspeed values without unit is in km/h, and should be entered without suffix. If the speed is in mph the unit should be added. For more information see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed -- /Per Lindström ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
On 4/26/11 2:11 AM, Per Lindström wrote: tisdag 26 april 2011 07.23.55 skrev Dominik Mahrer: Not sure if I'm right, but all the max speed values are in km/h and not in mph. maxspeed values without unit is in km/h, and should be entered without suffix. If the speed is in mph the unit should be added. For more information see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed for reference purposes, this changed sometime last summer, so Dominik used to be right. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
On 4/26/2011 8:06 AM, Richard Welty wrote: for reference purposes, this changed sometime last summer, so Dominik used to be right. The xx mph format has been there ever since I remember (2009). There was a mini edit war with someone trying to deprecate the xx mph format and make all editors add interfaces to support a single format. I guess that explains the extreme reluctance for map data consumers to recognize the mph format. To me as a layman, I don't see xx mph as a difficult parse for map data consumers. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
On 2011-04-26 14:06, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/26/11 2:11 AM, Per Lindström wrote: maxspeed values without unit is in km/h, and should be entered without suffix. If the speed is in mph the unit should be added. For more information see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed for reference purposes, this changed sometime last summer, so Dominik used to be right. The page was restructured at that point, but explicit tagging of mph units was already documented back in 2008. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:maxspeedoldid=168087 Tobias ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
On 4/26/11 8:15 AM, Mike N wrote: On 4/26/2011 8:06 AM, Richard Welty wrote: for reference purposes, this changed sometime last summer, so Dominik used to be right. The xx mph format has been there ever since I remember (2009). There was a mini edit war with someone trying to deprecate the xx mph format and make all editors add interfaces to support a single format. I guess that explains the extreme reluctance for map data consumers to recognize the mph format. To me as a layman, I don't see xx mph as a difficult parse for map data consumers. hmmm. when i read that page back when i started mapping (about 2 years ago), there was no reference to mph at all. i must have hit one of those points during the edit war. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
I mapped a road the other day which was exactly like this (different speeds) and wondered exactly the same thing. The signs I saw applied to trucks and buses though, more than just hgv/goods. As Tobias said, your suggestion is suitable, Id add the suggestion of maxspeed:bus also. David On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 16:46 -0400, Richard Welty wrote: some highways have split max speed values, different for passenger cars and trucks. i don't see any provision for tagging this on the map features page. are there any existing proposals for dealing with this? if there aren't, i'd like to suggest something like maxspeed:hgv=50 mph maxspeed:goods=50 mph thanks, richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
2011/4/25 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: The signs I saw applied to trucks and buses though, more than just hgv/goods. As Tobias said, your suggestion is suitable, Id add the suggestion of maxspeed:bus also. bus in OSM is defined as a bus performing public transport service [1]. I recently added tourist_bus as this was required for local jurisdiction (I found an explicit sign: tourist buses [2]). There is also another issue with busses: the wiki definition (in [1]) defines busses as vehicles with more than 12 seating positions, which surely is some national legislation, but in other countries this number might vary (e.g. in Germany it is 8) so I suggest to adjust this text to a generic term. cheers, Martin [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bus [2] http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/6610385 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 13:27 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/25 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: The signs I saw applied to trucks and buses though, more than just hgv/goods. As Tobias said, your suggestion is suitable, Id add the suggestion of maxspeed:bus also. There is also another issue with busses: the wiki definition (in [1]) defines busses as vehicles with more than 12 seating positions, which surely is some national legislation, but in other countries this number might vary (e.g. in Germany it is 8) so I suggest to adjust this text to a generic term. The Geneva Convention on Road Traffic, suggests that cars are 1-8 seats and 'bus' is more than 8. In Australia, the legislation says 12, so possibly other countries mismatch also. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/25 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: The signs I saw applied to trucks and buses though, more than just hgv/goods. As Tobias said, your suggestion is suitable, Id add the suggestion of maxspeed:bus also. bus in OSM is defined as a bus performing public transport service [1]. I recently added tourist_bus as this was required for local jurisdiction (I found an explicit sign: tourist buses [2]). There is also another issue with busses: the wiki definition (in [1]) defines busses as vehicles with more than 12 seating positions, which surely is some national legislation, but in other countries this number might vary (e.g. in Germany it is 8) It's probably more than 8 passengers + 1 driver in Germany as well, so a bus has at least 10 seats (including driver). so I suggest to adjust this text to a generic term. Even better would be to just not define these vehicles internationally at all and let each jurisdiction decide on which vehicle tags to use for what. Making international definitions only confuse new people when they later see other rules for their country and drive them towards tagging wrong things. And it has been shown often enough: you can't mold the entire world into one tag set. Greetings Ben ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
Hi Richard On 04/24/2011 10:46 PM, Richard Welty wrote: maxspeed:hgv=50 mph maxspeed:goods=50 mph Not sure if I'm right, but all the max speed values are in km/h and not in mph. Cheers Teddy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: some highways have split max speed values, different for passenger cars and trucks. i don't see any provision for tagging this on the map features page. are there any existing proposals for dealing with this? if there aren't, i'd like to suggest something like maxspeed:hgv=50 mph maxspeed:goods=50 mph I have been using maxspeed:truck maxseepd:night maxpeed:truck:night ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
On 4/24/11 8:12 PM, Nakor Osm wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.netwrote: some highways have split max speed values, different for passenger cars and trucks. i don't see any provision for tagging this on the map features page. are there any existing proposals for dealing with this? if there aren't, i'd like to suggest something like maxspeed:hgv=50 mph maxspeed:goods=50 mph I have been using maxspeed:truck maxseepd:night maxpeed:truck:night i used hgv and goods for consistency with the established usage of hgv= and goods= for access tags. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
At 2011-04-24 13:46, Richard Welty wrote: some highways have split max speed values, different for passenger cars and trucks. i don't see any provision for tagging this on the map features page. are there any existing proposals for dealing with this? if there aren't, i'd like to suggest something like maxspeed:hgv=50 mph maxspeed:goods=50 mph I've been using maxspeed:hgv for a while. Also, some signs define what an hgv is in terms of axles, so I add hgv:minaxles=3. I also use: maxspeed:towing maxspeed:advisory (for the yellow cautionary speed signs for curves) maxspeed:children_present (for school zones) thanks, richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
