Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
that is not a problem, as multi doesn't exclude all, but all requires all Indeed, it is not a problem, it is a solution ! :) Use two values for slightly different concepts. multi == multifaith == multiconfessional == various == value1;value2;... all == non-denominational == nondenominational == all_religions == every_religion Anyway I hope that Andy aka SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk can give us his feedback. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
2015-01-13 11:44 GMT+01:00 althio althio althio.fo...@gmail.com: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: religion=multi looks OK to me, the similarity to sport makes it easier to remember than religion=all (and it is very likely more accurate, as all is too inclusive I guess). Some airports REALLY wants to be that inclusive. that is not a problem, as multi doesn't exclude all, but all requires all. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
2015-01-12 21:59 GMT+01:00 althio althio althio.fo...@gmail.com: I think they are definitively for worshiping and prayers. amenity=place_of_worship is pretty clear for me. also this one: http://gloria.tv/?media=600653language=o9CtE7uatTg looks like a wayside shrine, but the title says place of worship... cheers, Martin PS: religion=multi looks OK to me, the similarity to sport makes it easier to remember than religion=all (and it is very likely more accurate, as all is too inclusive I guess). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: religion=multi looks OK to me, the similarity to sport makes it easier to remember than religion=all (and it is very likely more accurate, as all is too inclusive I guess). Some airports REALLY wants to be that inclusive. a prayer room for all faiths and denominations at Stansted. We welcome people of all faiths to join us in our chapel and prayer rooms at Gatwick. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: multi fits the sports tagging scheme well, and I think it is best for the religion tag too. Allis not good, as most sports places don have a clay sumo ring or a sandy pit for beach volleyball set up, so all would be wrong. @John I guess this is a reply to my idea of separate tagging: A. non-denominational places (Airport chapels ...) religion=all (OR religion=nondenominational) B. places shared between faiths (but specific faiths, not all faiths) religion=multi + religion:religion1=yes + religion:religion2=yes (OR religion=religion1;religion2 but you are into semi-colon value separator) My idea was to answer to SomeoneElse in https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-January/020865.html I don't propose to discard multi for all. Instead I consider if there is value to use both, religion=all in some cases and religion=multi in other cases. Allis not good, [...] Similarly, animal sacrifice and practicing voodoo at the airport's prayer room might get you arrested. Oh my. It does not mean voodoo practionners are not allowed into the prayer room as long as they respect country and airport laws and regulations. This is not a question of restricted access or restricted faith/religion but of adaquate behaviour. I have never seen a sign 'no voodoo' on the prayer room of any airport. If this prayer room with this sign does exist, then it could be defined as multi. Or all + religion:voodoo=no. [[[ [heavy sarcasm] Did you know that every religion has at least one practice not suitable for a prayer room, name it: flogging (self-inflicted flagellation), stoning (lapidation), circumcision, ... Should we ban every religion from prayer rooms? ]]] I think the spirit of these prayer rooms is to welcome anyone, from all faiths. From the website of airports: multi-faith prayer rooms in each terminal at Heathrow. (against voodoo?) ;-) a prayer room for all faiths and denominations at Stansted. We welcome people of all faiths to join us in our chapel and prayer rooms at Gatwick. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
Jgpacker asks on the PoW talk page: Are [Airports prayer rooms] really tagged with amenity=place_of_worship? I would say it's quite a different place from a normal religious place, and should get another tag. I think they are definitively for worshiping and prayers. amenity=place_of_worship is pretty clear for me. Being different from the regular religious place, not consecrated, no significant architecture, they are not building=church/mosque/temple/*. Indoor mapping might tell you room=chapel or room=prayer_room instead. Besides amenity=place_of_worship. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
Jgpacker asks on the PoW talk page: Are [Airports prayer rooms] really tagged with amenity=place_of_worship? I would say it's quite a different place from a normal religious place, and should get another tag. I'd say they are places where people go for worshipping, and for practicability they are provided religion-neutral, thus yes. If you climb a mountain that has a chapel on top, this is also not your normal place, but one during travel. tom ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
That would explain the absence of multipoodle, despite the popularity of poodle-worshipping among members of this list. :-P -jack In this dropdown, iD is simply returning the most popular results from taginfo: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/religion#values https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/religion#values On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org wrote: well that explains the slightly, but not significantly, higher usage numbers on this value. Interesting enough that iD implements a value that is not even documented. Jack Burke wrote on 2015-01-10 20:18: The ID editor already has multifaith as a selectable pull-down item for the religion= tag. -- Typos courtesy of fancy auto-spell technology. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
In this dropdown, iD is simply returning the most popular results from taginfo: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/religion#values https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/religion#values On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org wrote: well that explains the slightly, but not significantly, higher usage numbers on this value. Interesting enough that iD implements a value that is not even documented. Jack Burke wrote on 2015-01-10 20:18: The ID editor already has multifaith as a selectable pull-down item for the religion= tag. [changing subject back from Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 64, Issue 30] ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
As poodles are always the litmus test for new tags, toy poodles are acceptable, full poodles are not. You can stash your sacrifice in your carry-on quite quickly if need be - if it's a toy poodle. Javbw On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:23 AM, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 10/01/2015 00:17, John Willis wrote: Similarly, animal sacrifice and practicing voodoo at the airport's prayer room might get you arrested. Not even poodles? :) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-January/020847.html Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
multi fits the sports tagging scheme well, and I think it is best for the religion tag too. Allis not good, as most sports places don have a clay sumo ring or a sandy pit for beach volleyball set up, so all would be wrong. Similarly, animal sacrifice and practicing voodoo at the airport's prayer room might get you arrested. Multi seems the best fit. Javbw On Jan 10, 2015, at 12:58 AM, Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net wrote: On 09.01.2015 13:52, John Sturdy wrote: Wouldn't it be simplest to leave the religion or denomination tag out, if the facility isn't specific to a particular religion or denomination? __John Hi, I see this problem: Where is the difference between a multifaith place and an object with missing religion-tag? Andreas -- Andreas Neumann http://Map4Jena.de http://Stadtplan-Ilmenau.de ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
On 10/01/2015 00:17, John Willis wrote: Similarly, animal sacrifice and practicing voodoo at the airport's prayer room might get you arrested. Not even poodles? :) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-January/020847.html Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
Wouldn't it be simplest to leave the religion or denomination tag out, if the facility isn't specific to a particular religion or denomination? __John On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 09/01/2015 01:53, Tom Pfeifer wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2015-01-09 00:56: denomination=none ;-) Nice, but we need to stay on the religion= level But couldn't the sharing be inter-denominational, rather than inter-religion? As I see it: 1. No specific religion, such as rooms at hospitals, airports etc. 2. Shared places where different religions/denominations preach/perform services at separate times. 3. Shared places where different religions/denominations preach/perform services at the same time. I'm guessing this would more likely be denominations than religion. Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
On 09/01/2015 01:53, Tom Pfeifer wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2015-01-09 00:56: denomination=none ;-) Nice, but we need to stay on the religion= level But couldn't the sharing be inter-denominational, rather than inter-religion? As I see it: 1. No specific religion, such as rooms at hospitals, airports etc. 2. Shared places where different religions/denominations preach/perform services at separate times. 3. Shared places where different religions/denominations preach/perform services at the same time. I'm guessing this would more likely be denominations than religion. Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
M 2015-01-08 23:21 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com: The exact word is nondenominational, but multi fits with OSM definitions. Maybe referencing that word on the wiki definition is the way to go. Wikipedia: A non-denominational person or organization is not restricted to any particular or specific religious denomination http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_denomination. The term has been used in the context of various faiths including Jainism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism, Baha'i Faith http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baha%27i_Faith, Zoroastrianism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism, Islam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam, Christianity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity,Judaism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism, Hinduism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism, Buddhism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism and Wicca http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca. It stands in contrast with a religious denomination http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_denomination. denomination=none ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2015-01-09 00:56: denomination=none ;-) Nice, but we need to stay on the religion= level 2015-01-08 23:21 GMT+01:00 johnw jo...@mac.com: The exact word is nondenominational, but multi fits with OSM definitions. As above, I would avoid the term 'denomination' in the value, to avoid confusion within the religion/denomination hierarchy in OSM, but the definition is good for the explanation, e.g.: religion=m.. A non-denominational or multi-faith facility that allows followers of different religions to practice their own faith in a quiet environment. Examples are prayer rooms or quiet rooms in airports and other multi-cultural environments. SomeoneElse wrote on 2015-01-08 23:28: But as well as non-denominational places [...] there are also places shared between faiths Would you see an OSM-relevant difference between them, or could they go with the same multi(faith) value? tom ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
SomeoneElse wrote on 2015-01-08 23:28: Would you see an OSM-relevant difference between them, or could they go with the same multi(faith) value? tom Multi seems to be the right value. the definition on the wiki should reference those other fancier words so there is no confusion. Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
How about... non-denominational places (Airport chapels ...) religion=all places shared between faiths religion=multi Optionally more details with a scheme similar to: religion:christian http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/religion=christian=yes/* religion:muslim http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/religion=muslim =yes/* religion:buddhist http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/religion=buddhist =yes/* religion:hindu http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/religion=hindu=yes/* religion:jewish http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/religion=jewish =yes/* religion:shinto http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/religion=shinto =yes/* religion:taoist http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/religion=taoist =yes/* religion:sikh http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/religion=sikh=yes/* religion:*=* ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org wrote: No value has been documented so far for rooms dedicated for worshipping without being limited to a specific religion. My favourite would be multi as is is concise and also used in sport=multi, The exact word is nondenominational, but multi fits with OSM definitions. Maybe referencing that word on the wiki definition is the way to go. Wikipedia: A non-denominational person or organization is not restricted to any particular or specific religious denomination http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_denomination. The term has been used in the context of various faiths including Jainism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism, Baha'i Faith http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baha%27i_Faith, Zoroastrianism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism, Islam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam, Christianity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity,Judaism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism, Hinduism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism, Buddhism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism and Wicca http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca. It stands in contrast with a religious denomination http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_denomination.” Javbw___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religion=multi* ?
On 08/01/2015 22:21, johnw wrote: On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org mailto:t.pfei...@computer.org wrote: ... My favourite would be multi as is is concise and also used in sport=multi, The exact word is nondenominational, but multi fits with OSM definitions. Maybe referencing that word on the wiki definition is the way to go. Well - maybe. But as well as non-denominational places (Airport chapels perhaps?) there are also places shared between faiths - in the UK at least multifaith is commonly used for that. Or just multi, as was originally suggested. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] religion=multi* ?
No value has been documented so far for rooms dedicated for worshipping without being limited to a specific religion. It is useful however so a renderer could apply a specific icon, and a mapper sees that it is not just forgotten. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:religion Such rooms are found e.g. in public environments with a multi-cultural audience, such as airports or universities, often called prayer room or quiet room. My favourite would be multi as is is concise and also used in sport=multi, while multifaith is a bit longer but slightly more self-explanatory. multi_cultural has not bee used so far, and probably not better than multifaith. Current usage: religion= (354165 tags in total) 182 multifaith 49 * 18+4+4+2 christian␣and␣muslim or christian;muslim or muslim;christian or christian,muslim 18 other 15 public 15+1+1 non-denominational or Non-Denomination or Non-Demoninational 4 [empty string] 3 popular 3 multi 3 yes 2 All-Religion 1 bahai;buddhist;christian;hindu;jewish;muslim 1 All 1 multiconfessional_ 1+1 Muslim_and_Christian or christian,_muslim 1 every_religion 1 religion BTW, is correcting capitalised values to lowercase allowed or is that already considered a Mechanical Edit? tom ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
