Re: [Tagging] Date of survey
You could tag date as year and month. Skip the day it is much less relevant. Which would not help in my case, as I work for several days on the same survey. m On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: On 12/22/2014 08:28 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: I always use the tag combination source=survey ; survey:date=year-month-day as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:survey:date Whether on the changeset or on the object - whichever is most appropriate, automatically adding the current date as survey:date whenever a source=survey is entered could be a nice optional editor functionality. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Date of survey
On 12/23/2014 05:16 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org mailto:j...@liotier.org wrote: On 12/22/2014 08:28 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: I always use the tag combination source=survey ; survey:date=year-month-day as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:survey:date Whether on the changeset or on the object - whichever is most appropriate, automatically adding the current date as survey:date whenever a source=survey is entered could be a nice optional editor functionality. Which would not help in my case, as I work for several days on the same survey. Is a precise date necessary ? My use of the survey date could tolerate just recording year and month... What moves so fast that the precise day is important ? Some things I guess... But then wouldn't the current date be a decent default for most cases ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Date of survey
I use the exact date to find back my notes, pictures and traces when somebody has questions afterwards. The date is probably useless for anybody else. regards m On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Georg Feddern o...@bavarianmallet.de wrote: Am 23.12.2014 um 05:16 schrieb Marc Gemis: Which would not help in my case, as I work for several days on the same survey. as long as changes are not detected for month/years sometimes - some days difference between real survey and tagged date would not be any problem. And as long as any change may occure the next day - such tag will be not be any cure-all - and at least for me no solution at all. Live with open eyes and change what you recognize - at least as normal mapper. If you still want to take it serious: What purpose does such tag have for anyone? If there would be a last_checked tag - what would you do then? You can only use it if you want to surveil this object / region regularly. If so - you have to update _all_ objects of your survey regularly - happy history dump! If you surveil this object / region - do it anyway, even without tag - regularly. Georg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Date of survey
On 23/12/2014 04:16, Marc Gemis wrote: Which would not help in my case, as I work for several days on the same survey. +1, although I'm not understanding the point of this tag at all. What does it add that isn't already available via the History command (Key: H) in Potlatch? Is it not available in other editors? One advantageous thing would be to click on a GPX trace that's loaded in an editor to find out when it was added by whom. Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Date of survey
Since I put the date on the changeset, I don't have that issue. But if the object history works fine for you, please continue so. regards m On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: My issue with putting the source=* is that different tags are added at different times show it should really be source:item=* ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Date of survey
The date in the history is the date that the modified object is stored in osm. When I did a number of surveys in the same area a week or a month before, this modification date is useless to find back my notes. Just having a survey:date on the changeset allows me to pinpoint the date of the survey exactly. Take e.g this changeset http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27649274 The survey was made on Dec 14, but the modification dates will show Dec 23, 2014. Since I made several walks in that area, it is nice to see the survey date at once. There is also no pollution of the objects -tags as it is on the changeset. I'm not forcing anyone to use this method, but it works for me. BTW, I originally posted about the survey:date tag because the OP asked how to add a date to a source tag in case of a survey. At least that is how I interpreted the OP. regards m On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 23/12/2014 04:16, Marc Gemis wrote: Which would not help in my case, as I work for several days on the same survey. +1, although I'm not understanding the point of this tag at all. What does it add that isn't already available via the History command (Key: H) in Potlatch? Is it not available in other editors? One advantageous thing would be to click on a GPX trace that's loaded in an editor to find out when it was added by whom. Dave F. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Date of survey
On 22/12/2014 19:56, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Whether on the changeset or on the object - whichever is most appropriate, automatically adding the current date as survey:date whenever a source=survey is entered could be a nice optional editor functionality. In addition to current limited adoption (see http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/date%3Asurvey ) automatically adding date tags via the editor doesn't tell you anything that you can't get from the object history after the fact anyway. That also doesn't do anything for the case where you've checked that e.g. the correct name for a shop is still X. There used to be something at unexpired.osm24.eu that could be used to keep track of what you'd checked recently, but it doesn't seem to be working at the moment. There's probably a good solution to the problem waiting to be written (preferably one that doesn't bloat the OSM database - you don't want to create a new version of every item that you check just to add an updated date:survey). Maybe (thinking out loud here) something that could generate a personal list of shops in a given area as e.g. garmin waypoints, allowing you to change the colour of the waypoint when you've checked a shop in the field. Then back at home a _local_ list is updated with shop X surveyed on Y date, and that shop isn't generated in the list of Garmin shops to check until some defined time in the future? If it helps anyone, you may be able to borrow from https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/osmimport_02 which does some of the same things, although it's designed for a different job. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Date of survey
On 22.12.2014 20:03, jgpacker wrote: This suggestion was added to the page having as a goal machine-readability, however the suggestion that was there before the page was changed also seems to be machine-readable. [...] What do you guys think? I think that source tags (as well as note tags) should not be machine-readable, but human-readable. -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Date of survey
I always use the tag combination source=survey ; survey:date=year-month-day as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:survey:date I place this on the changeset m. On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:03 PM, jgpacker john.pack...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I saw that a user recently added a suggestion in the wikipage Key:source http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source to add the date of the source of the object in a separate tag called source:date=*. Example: source=survey source:date=2014-08-15 Another example: source:name=XYZ source:name:date=2011-11-13 This suggestion was added to the page having as a goal machine-readability, however the suggestion that was there before the page was changed also seems to be machine-readable. It was to add the date in the source tag itself, using the same date standard, after specifying the source. The previous examples would be source=survey 2014-08-15 and source:name=XYZ 2011-11-13. As far as I can see, using only one tag is preferred, and as long as the format is respected (which will be respected if the user was interested in machine-readability anyway), it can still be read by a machine even with a simple regular expression. What do you guys think? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Date-of-survey-tp5828018.html Sent from the Tagging mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Date of survey
Which would not help in my case, as I work for several days on the same survey. m On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: On 12/22/2014 08:28 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: I always use the tag combination source=survey ; survey:date=year-month-day as described on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:survey:date Whether on the changeset or on the object - whichever is most appropriate, automatically adding the current date as survey:date whenever a source=survey is entered could be a nice optional editor functionality. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
