Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Warin 

On 28/1/20 4:43 pm, Paul Johnson wrote:



On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 11:41 PM Shawn K. Quinn > wrote:


On 1/27/20 18:31, Greg Troxel wrote:
> Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> writes:
>
>> Mateusz, offlist deliberately.
>
> While we're at it, could the list admins fix the BROKEN REPLY-TO?

I have working "Reply" and "Reply List" features. I don't see
what's broken.


The list is quashing whatever's in reply-to and replacing it with it's 
own value.  Reply-to is supposed to be a user-set, not machine-set, field.



Where I reply to something ... I can change the settings of "To:", "CC:" 
etc to what I desire.



 I prefer to have the "To" set to the list, anyone else can have the CC...

I have noticed several responses where I have set my reply to what I 
think it should be.


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Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Paul Johnson 
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 11:41 PM Shawn K. Quinn 
wrote:

> On 1/27/20 18:31, Greg Troxel wrote:
> > Martin Koppenhoefer  writes:
> >
> >> Mateusz, offlist deliberately.
> >
> > While we're at it, could the list admins fix the BROKEN REPLY-TO?
>
> I have working "Reply" and "Reply List" features. I don't see what's
> broken.


The list is quashing whatever's in reply-to and replacing it with it's own
value.  Reply-to is supposed to be a user-set, not machine-set, field.
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Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Shawn K. Quinn 
On 1/27/20 18:31, Greg Troxel wrote:
> Martin Koppenhoefer  writes:
> 
>> Mateusz, offlist deliberately.
> 
> While we're at it, could the list admins fix the BROKEN REPLY-TO?

I have working "Reply" and "Reply List" features. I don't see what's broken.

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Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging 

28 Jan 2020, 02:31 by g...@lexort.com:

> Martin Koppenhoefer  writes:
>
>> Mateusz, offlist deliberately.
>>
>
> While we're at it, could the list admins fix the BROKEN REPLY-TO?
>
I would not consider it broken.

Offlist messages are a bit tricky, but still
possible and it is a really rare usecase.

Note "Reply-To: munging is considered a religious issue and the policies you 
set here can ignite some of the most heated 
off-topic flame wars on your mailing lists"

from 
https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node11.html
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Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Greg Troxel 
Martin Koppenhoefer  writes:

> Mateusz, offlist deliberately.

While we're at it, could the list admins fix the BROKEN REPLY-TO?

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Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Phake Nick 
For disluted territory marked as country boundary, there is also
https://www.openstreetmap.org/ this big box in South China Sea.
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Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging 



27 Jan 2020, 20:07 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:

>
>
> Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> 
> tagging@openstreetmap.org> >:
>
>>
>> (yes, I am aware about Crimea mess -
>> we should follow on the ground 
>> situation also in that case)
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Mateusz, offlist deliberately. Would you be willing to write to the new board 
> and ask them to re-evaluate? It seems they are more reasonable now, mostly. 
> Like you I believe the exception from the on the ground rule should be 
> reverted and the DWG decision on Crimea should be reinstated. 
>
Also, sadly the on the ground situation
is at this moment clear and seems
stable.

Though at this moment in sphere of OSM projects that
are neither mapping not development
I am focusing on the missing attribution problem. 
And in general I prefer to avoid starting new projects,
I have too many things already.
See
https://github.com/matkoniecz/illegal-use-of-OpenStreetMap
and some less visible communication
with LWG, other mappers, Mapbox
and other mentioned companies.

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Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 19:07 Uhr schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com>:

> Mateusz, offlist deliberately.
>


this went wrong ;-)

Anyway, from my point of view, the Q for the last elections have shown
that most people now active in the board also see a problem with the
previous board cancellation of the DWG decision on Crimea and the
introduction of an arbitrary "exception to the rule", so the best would
likely be take this back in order to be consistent.

Cheers
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Michael Reichert 
Hi Alexey,

Am 27/01/2020 um 17.07 schrieb Захаренков Алексей:
> Today I discovered a new country in OSM, created in 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/80105029
> with the name "Disputed territory between France and Italy" and tags 
> "type=boundary + boundary=administrative + admin_level=2+ disputed_area=yes". 
> The relation itself: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10629103
> Me and the changeset author could not come to agreement if the territory is 
> mapped correctly. Please put an end to our dispute.

Thank you for the heads-up (although the Talk list might be an
appropriate place as well).

boundary=administrative + admin_level=2 is reserved for independent
countries which sovereignty their territory. (The definition of
independence and sovereignty are a bit complicated and I do not go into
details for the sake of brevity here).

One might argue about the level of independence and sovereignty of some
countries but this are up in the mountains is just an overlap of claims
and not an own country itself.

I removed this wrong tagging and commented on Very_p's changeset.

Best regards

Michael



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Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org>:

> (yes, I am aware about Crimea mess -
> we should follow on the ground
> situation also in that case)
>
>


Mateusz, offlist deliberately. Would you be willing to write to the new
board and ask them to re-evaluate? It seems they are more reasonable now,
mostly. Like you I believe the exception from the on the ground rule should
be reverted and the DWG decision on Crimea should be reinstated.

Cheers
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Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 
Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org>:

> Tagging it as its own separate country
> is certainly not ok and absurd.
>
> For how it should be solved in my
> opinion:
> we should follow on the ground rule
> for tagging this.
>


reason this conflict isn't resolved is that it doesn't matter on the ground
;-)

Cheers
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Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging 
Tagging it as its own separate country
is certainly not ok and absurd.

For how it should be solved in my
opinion:we should follow on the ground rule
for tagging this.

(yes, I am aware about Crimea mess -
we should follow on the ground 
situation also in that case)

27 Jan 2020, 18:07 by a-z...@yandex.ru:

> Hi all.
>  
> Today I discovered a new country in OSM, created in > 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/80105029
> with the name "> Disputed territory between France and Italy" and tags "> 
> type=boundary + boundary=administrative + admin_level=2>  + 
> disputed_area=yes". > The relation itself: 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10629103
>  
> Me and the changeset author could not come to agreement if the territory is 
> mapped correctly. Please put an end to our dispute.
>  
> --
> Best regards,
> Alexey
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Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread marc marc 
Le 27.01.20 à 17:07, Захаренков Алексей a écrit :
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10629103
> Me and the changeset author could not come to agreement 

nobody ca have an agreement with him.
that isn't a country there. if p_v doesn't stop,
ask DWG for a ban
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