Re: [Tagging] Horse mounting steps compared to horse walker

[Warin]

On 04/04/19 06:51, Philip Barnes wrote:

On Mon, 2019-04-01 at 19:47 +0100, Paul Allen wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 19:23, Tony Shield > wrote:


and have confidence that this historic grade II mounting block will 
fit into the schema? Its not presently in use as it is in a school yard.




I don't know about the schema, but whatever tags you settle on, don't 
forget to add:


heritage=2
heritage:operator=he
ref:he=184432


This evening I spotted this one, which I captured nearly 4 years ago.

https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ka6holLFNWJ_hUxljMxr1A




Handy for the resident to load/unload the roof rack.
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Re: [Tagging] Horse mounting steps compared to horse walker

[Philip Barnes]

On Mon, 2019-04-01 at 19:47 +0100, Paul Allen wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 19:23, Tony Shield 
> wrote:
> 
> >   
> > 
> >   
> >   and have confidence that this historic grade II mounting block
> >   will fit into the schema? Its not presently in use as it is
> > in a
> >   school yard.
> > 
> 
> I don't know about the schema, but whatever tags you settle on, don't
> forget to add:
> 
> heritage=2
> heritage:operator=he
> ref:he=184432

This evening I spotted this one, which I captured nearly 4 years ago.

https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ka6holLFNWJ_hUxljMxr1A


Phil (trigpoint)
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Re: [Tagging] Horse mounting steps compared to horse walker

[Warin]

As a mounting block?
disused:amenity=mounting_block

As a historic object?
historic=mounting_block ..or historic=yes

Depending on what feature you want to map. You could map both, say one 
as a node the other as a small circular area.

This would follow the OSM guide of  'one feature, one OSM entry'.

On 02/04/19 05:47, Paul Allen wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 19:23, Tony Shield > wrote:


and have confidence that this historic grade II mounting block
will fit into the schema? Its not presently in use as it is in a
school yard.


I don't know about the schema, but whatever tags you settle on, don't 
forget to add:


heritage=2
heritage:operator=he
ref:he=184432

It probably won't render on standard carto yet (if ever), so may not 
show up on

https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101362124-mounting-block-in-school-yard-circa-15-metres-west-of-rivington-school-rivington
but a week or so after you map it, it will show up on
http://gk.historic.place/historische_objekte/translate/en/index-en.html?zoom=18=53.62469=-2.56868=HaHbHcSaHe=3 

with the same clickable funky burger icon that Rivington Church has 
(provided you added the
heritage tags above).  If you can put a photo (copyright permitting) 
somewhere (preferably
Wikimedia) you can add a tag for that, too, and it will show on the 
historic place map.  In fact,
I see there's a wikimedia image available for the church so I'll add 
that now (it probably won't

show up until next week).

--
Paul



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Re: [Tagging] Horse mounting steps compared to horse walker

[Paul Allen]

On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 19:23, Tony Shield  wrote:

and have confidence that this historic grade II mounting block will fit
> into the schema? Its not presently in use as it is in a school yard.
>

I don't know about the schema, but whatever tags you settle on, don't
forget to add:

heritage=2
heritage:operator=he
ref:he=184432

It probably won't render on standard carto yet (if ever), so may not show
up on
https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101362124-mounting-block-in-school-yard-circa-15-metres-west-of-rivington-school-rivington
but a week or so after you map it, it will show up on
http://gk.historic.place/historische_objekte/translate/en/index-en.html?zoom=18=53.62469=-2.56868=HaHbHcSaHe=3
with the same clickable funky burger icon that Rivington Church has
(provided you added the
heritage tags above).  If you can put a photo (copyright permitting)
somewhere (preferably
Wikimedia) you can add a tag for that, too, and it will show on the
historic place map.  In fact,
I see there's a wikimedia image available for the church so I'll add that
now (it probably won't
show up until next week).

-- 
Paul
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Re: [Tagging] Horse mounting steps compared to horse walker

[Tony Shield]

Hi

Could you have a look at this - 
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1362124#contributions


and have confidence that this historic grade II mounting block will fit 
into the schema? Its not presently in use as it is in a school yard.


TonyS999


On 01/04/2019 08:16, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:




Apr 1, 2019, 2:42 AM by 61sundow...@gmail.com:

Ok .. I have a draft for mounting blocks

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/mounting_block

Think I have the main points downs.. I'll leave it for a week and
see. Then I'll do the RFC thing and see what happens..

Not certain about the voting method to determine the key.. if it
then requires a secondary vote for the key/value pair.

For https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dcarpet_hanger
I put to vote single key=value with key that had most supporters 
during discussion.


In that case amenity, leisure, man_made all make sense, with amenity 
well working
as a generic tag (man_made may be a bit confusing for rare case of 
natural feature
like rock with standard use as a mounting block, though I am not sure 
is it

something that is happening even once).


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Re: [Tagging] Horse mounting steps compared to horse walker

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Apr 1, 2019, 2:42 AM by 61sundow...@gmail.com:

> Ok .. I have a draft for mounting blocks
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/mounting_block 
> 
>
> Think I have the main points downs.. I'll leave it for a week and see. Then 
> I'll do the RFC thing and see what happens..
>
> Not certain about the voting method to determine the key.. if it then 
> requires a secondary vote for the key/value pair.
>
For https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dcarpet_hanger 

I put to vote single key=value with key that had most supporters during 
discussion.

In that case amenity, leisure, man_made all make sense, with amenity well 
working
as a generic tag (man_made may be a bit confusing for rare case of natural 
feature 
like rock with standard use as a mounting block, though I am not sure is it
something that is happening even once).

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Re: [Tagging] Horse mounting steps compared to horse walker

[Warin]

Ok .. I have a draft for mounting blocks

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/mounting_block

Think I have the main points downs.. I'll leave it for a week and see. 
Then I'll do the RFC thing and see what happens..


Not certain about the voting method to determine the key.. if it then 
requires a secondary vote for the key/value pair.


Whatever .. you all get to have a vote. Whatever is most popular I'll 
put on the riding page. If it passes then that will go on to the wiki.



On 01/04/19 00:08, Hufkratzer wrote:

Am 31.03.2019 04:30, schrieb Warin:

On 27/03/19 20:23, Hufkratzer wrote:

On 27.03.2019 07:37, Warin wrote:

[...]
I'd still call it a 'mounting block' ... no steps in the name so it 
can be a ramp or, in your case, a platform. Add wheelchair=yes and 
a description=* tag ???


+1, in wikipedia it's also called 'mounting block', see 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mounting_block.


But isn't it too primitive to be an amenity? What about 
animal=mounting_block? We have animal=horse_walker.


I was not aware of the key animal. Looks to be used for all sorts of 
things ..

 access?
the kind of animal in a zoo exhibit?


Very poorly organised I would not go there!

Looks to come from the German talk group.. nothing to do with the 
tagging group?

[...]


I somehow agree. But there are some tags with key animal in use and 
documented in the wiki:


- animal=school used 672x, competing tag: amenity=animal_training used 
406x

- animal=horse_walker used 381x, proposed
- animal=sport used 210x, only documented on wiki page "DE:Tiere" 
(Hundesportverein), competing key: club=*

- animal=wellness used 165x documented on wiki page "Animals"
- animal=cemetery used 93x documented on wiki page "Animals"
- animal=swimming used 20x documented on wiki page "Animals"
- animal=crematorium used 6x documented on wiki page "Animals"

Would it under these conditions be recommendable to make a proposal 
for amenity=horse_walker which competes with existing proposal for 
animal=horse_walker? animal=horse_walker is used 381 times, it was 
proposed in 2013, I couldn't find any discussion about it and the 
creator of the proposal seems to be inactive since March 2015.
amenity=horse_walker isn't used yet, man_made=horse_walker is used 3x, 
building=horse_walker 9x.


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Re: [Tagging] Horse mounting steps compared to horse walker

[Hufkratzer]

Am 31.03.2019 04:30, schrieb Warin:

On 27/03/19 20:23, Hufkratzer wrote:

On 27.03.2019 07:37, Warin wrote:

[...]
I'd still call it a 'mounting block' ... no steps in the name so it 
can be a ramp or, in your case, a platform. Add wheelchair=yes and a 
description=* tag ???


+1, in wikipedia it's also called 'mounting block', see 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mounting_block.


But isn't it too primitive to be an amenity? What about 
animal=mounting_block? We have animal=horse_walker.


I was not aware of the key animal. Looks to be used for all sorts of 
things ..

 access?
the kind of animal in a zoo exhibit?


Very poorly organised I would not go there!

Looks to come from the German talk group.. nothing to do with the 
tagging group?

[...]


I somehow agree. But there are some tags with key animal in use and 
documented in the wiki:


- animal=school used 672x, competing tag: amenity=animal_training used 406x
- animal=horse_walker used 381x, proposed
- animal=sport used 210x, only documented on wiki page "DE:Tiere" 
(Hundesportverein), competing key: club=*

- animal=wellness used 165x documented on wiki page "Animals"
- animal=cemetery used 93x documented on wiki page "Animals"
- animal=swimming used 20x documented on wiki page "Animals"
- animal=crematorium used 6x documented on wiki page "Animals"

Would it under these conditions be recommendable to make a proposal for 
amenity=horse_walker which competes with existing proposal for 
animal=horse_walker? animal=horse_walker is used 381 times, it was 
proposed in 2013, I couldn't find any discussion about it and the 
creator of the proposal seems to be inactive since March 2015.
amenity=horse_walker isn't used yet, man_made=horse_walker is used 3x, 
building=horse_walker 9x.


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