Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Colin Smale]

On 2019-02-17 20:17, Paul Allen wrote:

> In the UK returned drugs cannot be recycled even if they have not expired.  
> There are safety 
> issues to do with tampering.

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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 at 05:18, Paul Allen  wrote:

>
> In the UK returned drugs cannot be recycled even if they have not
> expired.  There are safety
> issues to do with tampering.
>

Same thing applies in Australia, even if the original seals haven't yet
been broken.

Thanks

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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 17. Feb 2019, at 20:03, Markus  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the hint.
> 
> It might be that drugs that haven't reached their expiration date are
> sorted out and recycled


I would doubt this. Maybe somewhere, in Europe it is very unlikely, also 
because the expiry date is for things stored in appropriate conditions, which 
you never know for something from the trash. I’m for moving drugs to “waste”, 
the recycling tags should be reserved for recycling related features.

Cheers, Martin 


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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Paul Allen]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 at 19:05, Markus  wrote:

>
> It might be that drugs that haven't reached their expiration date are
> sorted out and recycled, but i don't think that expired drugs get
> recycled as they likely get ineffective or even dangerous.
>

In the UK returned drugs cannot be recycled even if they have not expired.
There are safety
issues to do with tampering.

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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Markus]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 at 19:07, Topographe Fou  wrote:
>
> Wiki suggests amenity=recycling + recycling:drugs=yes/no
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Drecycling

Thanks for the hint.

It might be that drugs that haven't reached their expiration date are
sorted out and recycled, but i don't think that expired drugs get
recycled as they likely get ineffective or even dangerous.

> If we choose to put it under 'waste' (instead of recycling) then I suggest to 
> copy the recycling namespace schema and use waste:drugs= yes/no (or something 
> similar) instead of creating something different for a similar use (i.e. 
> waste=drugs).

I don't think that this is a good idea because (a) waste=* is already
used over 32,000 times (b) values in keys are considered problematical
by many and (c) i don't see a benefit in such a change.

Regards

Markus

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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Topographe Fou]

  Hi,Wiki suggests amenity=recycling + recycling:drugs=yes/nohttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3DrecyclingIf we choose to put it under 'waste' (instead of recycling) then I suggest to copy the recycling namespace schema and use waste:drugs= yes/no (or something similar) instead of creating something different for a similar use (i.e. waste=drugs).Yours,LeTopographeFou   De: cliff...@snowandsnow.usEnvoyé: 15 février 2019 1:50 AMÀ: tagging@openstreetmap.orgRépondre à: tagging@openstreetmap.orgObjet: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal  How should sites that offer drop box disposal for unneeded medicine be tagged? Typical locations would include pharmacys, clinics, hospitals, and law enforcement buildings. I've thought about using the tag amenity=waste + waste=medicineAny better suggestions?Thanks in advance,Clifford-- @osm_seattleosm_seattle.snowandsnow.usOpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch
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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Philip Barnes]

Sharps is the term used in the UK too.

Phil (trigpoint) 

On 16 February 2019 22:37:00 GMT, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 16/02/19 19:54, Markus wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019, 00:59 Graeme Fitzpatrick >  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Would =drugs also apply to sharps bins for needle disposal?
>>
>> I would think they should have their own tag? (or is there one
>> already that I just didn't see?)
>>
>>
>> I guess you usually aren't allowed to throw syringes in a drugs drop 
>> box or to throw drugs in a syringes drop box. Therefore i think that 
>> separate keys make sense. How about waste=syringes? (Imho you throw 
>> the whole syringe in, not just the needle.)
>>
>> For the unlikely case of a drop box for both drugs and syringes,
>these 
>> values could be combined as waste=drugs;syringes.
>>
>Here waste boxes for syringes tend to be lables 'sharps' .. I think
>that 
>is an Americanizm. Any UK experience?

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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Clifford Snow]

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 2:37 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here waste boxes for syringes tend to be lables 'sharps' .. I think that
> is an Americanizm. Any UK experience?
>
> I like how this has expanded to include disposal of syringes.

The original post was about disposing of unneeded meds. Throwing meds in
the toilet isn't recommended since it gets into streams and ultimately into
the ocean. And yes I live very close to the ocean.

Clifford

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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Warin]

On 16/02/19 19:54, Markus wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2019, 00:59 Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:



Would =drugs also apply to sharps bins for needle disposal?

I would think they should have their own tag? (or is there one
already that I just didn't see?)


I guess you usually aren't allowed to throw syringes in a drugs drop 
box or to throw drugs in a syringes drop box. Therefore i think that 
separate keys make sense. How about waste=syringes? (Imho you throw 
the whole syringe in, not just the needle.)


For the unlikely case of a drop box for both drugs and syringes, these 
values could be combined as waste=drugs;syringes.


Here waste boxes for syringes tend to be lables 'sharps' .. I think that 
is an Americanizm. Any UK experience?


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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Paul Allen]

On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 08:56, Markus  wrote:

>
> Btw, i wonder why the wiki lists trash as a possible value for waste=*. Is
> trash intended to be only used in combinations, such as
> waste=trash;cigarettes? I've supposed that waste=trash is the default for
> amenity=waste_bin and amenity=waste_disposal and thus doesn't have to be
> added.
>

For the trash/cigarettes combinations, it makes sense.

There are sand-filled receptacles purely for stubbing out cigarettes.  No
other kind of waste
can be deposited there.  There are trash receptacles which have built-in
cigarette stubbers
and/or a separate cigarette receptacle.  And there are ordinary trash
receptacles in which
cigarette disposal is discouraged because a cigarette that hasn't been
fully stubbed out
can ignite the trash (happened a couple of months ago in a trash bin
outside my local
supermarket).

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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Markus]

On Sat, 16 Feb 2019, 00:59 Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> Would =drugs also apply to sharps bins for needle disposal?
>
> I would think they should have their own tag? (or is there one already
> that I just didn't see?)
>

I guess you usually aren't allowed to throw syringes in a drugs drop box or
to throw drugs in a syringes drop box. Therefore i think that separate keys
make sense. How about waste=syringes? (Imho you throw the whole syringe in,
not just the needle.)

For the unlikely case of a drop box for both drugs and syringes, these
values could be combined as waste=drugs;syringes.

Btw, i wonder why the wiki lists trash as a possible value for waste=*. Is
trash intended to be only used in combinations, such as
waste=trash;cigarettes? I've supposed that waste=trash is the default for
amenity=waste_bin and amenity=waste_disposal and thus doesn't have to be
added.

Regards

Markus

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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 05:00, Markus  wrote:

>
> According to our wiki it's waste=drugs (only 21 uses, but still more than
> any waste=medic*).
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waste
>

Would =drugs also apply to sharps bins for needle disposal?

I would think they should have their own tag? (or is there one already that
I just didn't see?)

Thanks

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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Markus]

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 01:50 Clifford Snow 
> I've thought about using the tag amenity=waste + waste=medicine
>

According to our wiki it's waste=drugs (only 21 uses, but still more than
any waste=medic*).

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waste

Depending on the size i'd either use  amenity=waste_basket or
amenity=waste_disposal.

Regards

Markus

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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Clifford Snow]

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 10:59 AM Markus  wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, 01:50 Clifford Snow 
>>
>> I've thought about using the tag amenity=waste + waste=medicine
>>
>
> According to our wiki it's waste=drugs (only 21 uses, but still more than
> any waste=medic*).
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waste
>
> Depending on the size i'd either use  amenity=waste_basket or
> amenity=waste_disposal.
>
> I missed the key:waste page. Thanks. amenity=waste_basket + waste=drugs it
is. Now I just need to help a grad student learn to edit in OSM.

Thanks all,
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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 15. Feb 2019, at 02:22, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
> 
> did you maybe mean to write amenity=“waste_disposal”?


it was late...
There are different types of “small” waste amenities, waste_basket is the 
smallest and used for those public bins on the street, waste_disposal is 
described as “used for medium sized waste bins, typically for bagged up 
household or industrial waste” and this picture: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Waste_container.jpg

Not sure what these medicine collectors look like in your area, here they are 
rather small, and completely closed (you can hardly get things back out due to 
the way the closure works, unless they are too full). Maybe waste_basket would 
be still the best, if we agree differentiation is done mostly by size.

This is a picture of a local one: 
https://www.iltempo.it/resizer/670/-1/true/20151007/export.1.1467551.jpg--.jpg


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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Joseph Eisenberg]

I’d use waste=medication, but I’m an American. Perhaps “medicine” is
appropriate British English?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:19 AM Clifford Snow 
wrote:

> Yes, a typo on my part.
>
> Sent from my Android phone.
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 5:23 PM Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>> > On 15. Feb 2019, at 01:49, Clifford Snow 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I've thought about using the tag amenity=waste + waste=medicine
>> >
>> > Any better suggestions?
>>
>>
>> did you maybe mean to write amenity=“waste_disposal”? Waste is usually
>> not seen as an amenity ;-)
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Clifford Snow]

Yes, a typo on my part.

Sent from my Android phone.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 5:23 PM Martin Koppenhoefer 
>
>
>
> sent from a phone
> > On 15. Feb 2019, at 01:49, Clifford Snow 
> wrote:
> >
> > I've thought about using the tag amenity=waste + waste=medicine
> >
> > Any better suggestions?
>
>
> did you maybe mean to write amenity=“waste_disposal”? Waste is usually not
> seen as an amenity ;-)
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Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 15. Feb 2019, at 01:49, Clifford Snow  wrote:
> 
> I've thought about using the tag amenity=waste + waste=medicine
> 
> Any better suggestions?


did you maybe mean to write amenity=“waste_disposal”? Waste is usually not seen 
as an amenity ;-)

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