Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I think it is pointless to have operator:money_transfer rather than a simple operator. The tag should refer to the object that is tagged, and if it is a money transfer it will refer to that, also when you don't prefix it. I didn't check if it is western union that operates the office, or if it is a kind of franchise in which case it would be tagged as brand=Western Union It's related to my question. A bank may offer money transfer from western union, insurance from an insurance company, sell phone subscriptions from a third one, etc... Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
Pieren, ... And those are all important things to find. -Jaakko On Nov 20, 2012 4:47 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I think it is pointless to have operator:money_transfer rather than a simple operator. The tag should refer to the object that is tagged, and if it is a money transfer it will refer to that, also when you don't prefix it. I didn't check if it is western union that operates the office, or if it is a kind of franchise in which case it would be tagged as brand=Western Union It's related to my question. A bank may offer money transfer from western union, insurance from an insurance company, sell phone subscriptions from a third one, etc... Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
2012/11/19 Sébastien Pierrel sebastien.pier...@gmail.com I guess a bank could operate multiple money transfer solutions. So, service:money:transfer:**operator:western_union=yes ? starting to get awkward... What if we put service:money:transfer=Western_Union? And whenever you have that key (service:money:transfer) it means an establishment can transfer your money. If you want to know details, look at the value. If it only has yes you know nothing except they can transfer your money. If there are more transfer operators, separate them with semicolons. If you want to specifically say that an establishment can't transfer money (a bank for example) put the value no. It's a bit like the key building. Renderers only look for the key building and the value can be whatever. Specialized renderers can look at the value. Janko Mihelić ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
On 20 November 2012 18:05, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/11/19 Sébastien Pierrel sebastien.pier...@gmail.com I guess a bank could operate multiple money transfer solutions. So, service:money:transfer:**operator:western_union=yes ? starting to get awkward... What if we put service:money:transfer=Western_Union? And whenever you have that key (service:money:transfer) it means an establishment can transfer your money. What if the establishment can transfer money via Western union and Moneygram? -- Cheers, /Seb. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
2012/11/20 Sébastien Pierrel sebastien.pier...@gmail.com What if the establishment can transfer money via Western union and Moneygram? service:money:transfer=Western_Union;Moneygram ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
On 20 November 2012 18:50, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/11/20 Sébastien Pierrel sebastien.pier...@gmail.com What if the establishment can transfer money via Western union and Moneygram? service:money:transfer=Western_Union;Moneygram I don't like this kind of combo (reason for starting this thread). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
Maybe something even wider like: service:money:transfer=yes service:money:exchange=yes (because you can exchange currencies in some banks too, not only exchange bureaus) service:money:withdraw=yes service:money:deposit_coins=yes and so on.. Janko 2012/11/19 Sébastien Pierrel sebastien.pier...@gmail.com Hello list, There's a proposal in the wiki that money transfer agents such as Western Union should be tagged as amenity=money_transfer. I don't like this tag because of the over use of amenity key. Many of the money transfer agents are banks or bureau de change, which are amenities. What do you think of money_transfer=agent + operator:money_transfer=Western Union? Cheers, /Seb. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
There's a proposal in the wiki that money transfer agents such as Western Union should be tagged as amenity=money_transfer. I don't like this tag because of the over use of amenity key. +1. Many of the money transfer agents are banks or bureau de change, which are amenities. Yes, in France, they are always part of an other shop/bank... In Madagascar, they are not only part of some banks put they also have stand alone offices. Eric ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
Le 19/11/2012 15:58, Janko Mihelić a écrit : Maybe something even wider like: service:money:transfer=yes service:money:exchange=yes (because you can exchange currencies in some banks too, not only exchange bureaus) service:money:withdraw=yes service:money:deposit_coins=yes I like it. So service:money:transfer:operator=Western Union ? Quite long... Éric ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Sébastien Pierrel sebastien.pier...@gmail.com wrote: What do you think of money_transfer=agent + operator:money_transfer=Western Union? Do you mean in combination with an existing amenity=* like =bank ? Banks are also offering insurance services, or even mobile phone subscriptions. Are you going to list all services proposed by your bank ? Is it really the aim of a geospatial database ? Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
Sounds good -- if there would be a general financial services main tag like amenity=financial_services (when it's not part of another amenity). Is such used already? Btw. I _think_ it should be withdraw_al_ (with the *al ending). -Jaakko On Nov 19, 2012 10:02 AM, Eric SIBERT courr...@eric.sibert.fr wrote: There's a proposal in the wiki that money transfer agents such as Western Union should be tagged as amenity=money_transfer. I don't like this tag because of the over use of amenity key. +1. Many of the money transfer agents are banks or bureau de change, which are amenities. Yes, in France, they are always part of an other shop/bank... In Madagascar, they are not only part of some banks put they also have stand alone offices. Eric __**_ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/tagginghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
2012/11/19 Pieren pier...@gmail.com Is it really the aim of a geospatial database ? You can go to the limit with this statement and say that you should only map addresses, but the fact a bank is on that address is for a different database. I think we should have tags for all things, and then see which ones stick, and which don't. What if there is no money services database in my country, why wouldn't OSM have that data? I'm not trying to pick a fight, just discussing :) Janko ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
On 19 November 2012 17:39, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Sébastien Pierrel sebastien.pier...@gmail.com wrote: What do you think of money_transfer=agent + operator:money_transfer=Western Union? Do you mean in combination with an existing amenity=* like =bank ? yes, exactly. Money transfer agents are not necessarily banks. I can think of agents that are primarily bureaux de change and convenience stores. Banks are also offering insurance services, or even mobile phone subscriptions. Are you going to list all services proposed by your bank ? Is it really the aim of a geospatial database ? Why not? As long as it helps me answering the questions Where is non-moveable-thing? or Where can I find X-service?, I think it fits. In our case, the service is contracted for another company and I believe it is valuable to collect data about such a network. Help me draw the line. Cheers, Seb. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
On 19 November 2012 17:03, Eric SIBERT courr...@eric.sibert.fr wrote: Le 19/11/2012 15:58, Janko Mihelić a écrit : Maybe something even wider like: service:money:transfer=yes service:money:exchange=yes (because you can exchange currencies in some banks too, not only exchange bureaus) service:money:withdraw=yes service:money:deposit_coins=**yes I like it. Me too. So service:money:transfer:**operator=Western Union ? I guess a bank could operate multiple money transfer solutions. So, service:money:transfer:**operator:western_union=yes ? starting to get awkward... btw, would this scheme be suitable for mobile money systems (e.g. M-Pesa) ? Cheers, Seb. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
2012/11/19 Sébastien Pierrel sebastien.pier...@gmail.com: What do you think of money_transfer=agent + operator:money_transfer=Western Union? I think it is pointless to have operator:money_transfer rather than a simple operator. The tag should refer to the object that is tagged, and if it is a money transfer it will refer to that, also when you don't prefix it. I didn't check if it is western union that operates the office, or if it is a kind of franchise in which case it would be tagged as brand=Western Union I also don't share the idea that amenity is over used. Could you explain the problem? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Money transfer agents
On 20 November 2012 00:55, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2012/11/19 Sébastien Pierrel sebastien.pier...@gmail.com: What do you think of money_transfer=agent + operator:money_transfer=Western Union? I think it is pointless to have operator:money_transfer rather than a simple operator. The tag should refer to the object that is tagged, and if it is a money transfer it will refer to that, also when you don't prefix it. I didn't check if it is western union that operates the office, or if it is a kind of franchise in which case it would be tagged as brand=Western Union I also don't share the idea that amenity is over used. Could you explain the problem? In my case, I wanted to mapped the local branch of a bank: amenity=bank + name=Banque de commerce du Burundi That branch happens to be a Western union agent. Since this business is primarily a bank, it should bear amenity=bank. Hence the need for another key for this service. I think this is justified since money transfer agents are rarely a business of their own, rather a service that other businesses offer. Also Western Union is not the operator of the bank. I find the combo of values for a key with a semicolon (i.e amenity=bank;money_transfer) extremely awkward. I don't like amenity:bank=yes + amenity:money_transfer=yes much better either. I'd rather have two nodes in a relation. Cheers, /Seb. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
