Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads
On mercredi 10 octobre 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > long ago : > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Any_moving_thing_grouping_system > > > but it should be mentioned that this diagram (unlike the previously > posted one) is not in line with the current access model in OSM. Ooops, that's true. Haven't updated my memory since then. I added a statement to make it clear on the wiki page. -- sly qui suis-je : http://sly.letuffe.org email perso : sylvain chez letuffe un point org ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads
2012/10/10 sly (sylvain letuffe) : > On mercredi 10 octobre 2012, Rob Nickerson wrote: >> >* For more details see [1]*>* and [2]. Essentially there is a hierarchy of > subcategories for*>* transportation modes.*>* [2] > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Access_hierarchy_simple.png* >> This scheme should be more wildly used. It seems to be use only in the >> German wiki. > > FYI : > Here is another way to display such a tree in a more readable way I created > long ago : > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Any_moving_thing_grouping_system but it should be mentioned that this diagram (unlike the previously posted one) is not in line with the current access model in OSM. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads
On mercredi 10 octobre 2012, Rob Nickerson wrote: > >* For more details see [1]*>* and [2]. Essentially there is a hierarchy of subcategories for*>* transportation modes.*>* [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Access_hierarchy_simple.png* > This scheme should be more wildly used. It seems to be use only in the > German wiki. FYI : Here is another way to display such a tree in a more readable way I created long ago : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Any_moving_thing_grouping_system here is another page, and another diagram : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Computing_access_restrictions -- sly qui suis-je : http://sly.letuffe.org email perso : sylvain chez letuffe un point org ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads
>* For more details see [1]*>* and [2]. Essentially there is a hierarchy of >subcategories for*>* transportation modes.*>* [2] >http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Access_hierarchy_simple.png* This scheme should be more wildly used. It seems to be use only in the German wiki. Eric --- Hi Eric, The scheme exists on all language pages of the access key, but the German version includes the image that makes things a lot easier to understand. I am including improving the key:access page as part of my work on the conditional restrictions page. To anyone else who is reading this and is now concerned, please rest assured that I will consult on any chnages on this mailing list before making any changes. Regards, Rob p.s. Feel free to add a comment to the seasonal=* wiki page. Something of the form "you may also like to use" rather than "you should also add this tag...". If you have any questions on how to edit the wiki, let me know and I'll try to help out. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads
I'm looking how to tag a road with seasonal opening or closing. ... Have you tried: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions May I improve the wiki on seasonal=* to indicate that it would be nice to use it in conjunction with Conditional_restrictions? Regards Eric ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads
For mountain pass in Alps, this could be just access:conditional = no @ Nov-Apr That seems logical to me. One word on using "access:conditional" though - this would indicate no access, including on foot. In somehow, we may consider that the road does not exist in winter due to the large amount of snow over it. I mostly use it during ski touring. For more details see [1] and [2]. Essentially there is a hierarchy of subcategories for transportation modes. [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Access_hierarchy_simple.png This scheme should be more wildly used. It seems to be use only in the German wiki. Eric ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads
*>One of the main mountain highways here is closed to licensed vehicles*>during the winter months, but snowmobiles are permitted. Would >vehicle:conditional apply to snowmobiles? > >-- >Clifford Hi Clifford, "vehicle" does include snowmobiles. Essentially there is a hierarchy of transportation modes that are explained at [1]. On the German language version of this page there is a nice image explaining it [2]. So "snowmobile" is in the "motor_vehicle" class, which itself is in the "vehicle" class. Using vehicle:conditional would apply to everything within the vehicle class (including all motor_vehicles and snowmobiles). You would need to use: * vehicle:conditional = no @ * snowmobile = yes Here "snowmobile" is a more specific transportation mode than "vehicle" and therefore overrules the conditional restriction. Replace by those winter months in which the restriction applies. Regards, Rob [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access#Transport_mode_restrictions [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Access_hierarchy_simple.png ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads
-- Éric wrote: -- For mountain pass in Alps, this could be just access:conditional = no @ Nov-Apr For African tracks, something like smoothness:conditional = horrible @ May-Oct smoothness:conditional = very_horrible @ Nov-Apr or smoothness = horrible smoothness:conditional = very_horrible @ Nov-Apr All with seasonal=yes to indicate the random aspect of the time condition. Do you agree? -- End -- That seems logical to me. One word on using "access:conditional" though - this would indicate no access, including on foot. For more details see [1] and [2]. Essentially there is a hierarchy of subcategories for transportation modes. Rob [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Access#Transport_mode_restrictions [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Access_hierarchy_simple.png ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads
One of the main mountain highways here is closed to licensed vehicles during the winter months, but snowmobiles are permitted. Would vehicle:conditional apply to snowmobiles? I also have a similar problem with road that are use in winter for nordic (or not) ski. Up to now, I added a second way for winter activities on top the way for the summer road. Éric ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Rob Nickerson wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I'm looking how to tag a road with seasonal opening or closing. ... > >Up to now, I was using "opening_hours=*" with "Nov-Apr off". > > Hi Éric, > > Have you tried: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions > Work is under way to help make the page clearer, but essentially your tag > would be: > > * vehicle:conditional = no @ Nov-Apr > > This would restrict bicycles as well so replace vehicle with motor_vehicle > is this is more appropriate. > > One of the main mountain highways here is closed to licensed vehicles during the winter months, but snowmobiles are permitted. Would vehicle:conditional apply to snowmobiles? -- Clifford I have promised to cut down on my swearing and drinking, which I have. Unfortunately, this has left me dim-witted and nearly speechless. Adapted from *The Lion* by Nelson DeMille -or- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads
>I'm looking how to tag a road with seasonal opening or closing. ... >Up to now, I was using "opening_hours=*" with "Nov-Apr off". Have you tried: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions I had a look some time ago but without thinking at seasonal roads. > Work is under way to help make the page clearer, +1 [...] but essentially your tag would be: * vehicle:conditional = no @ Nov-Apr For mountain pass in Alps, this could be just access:conditional = no @ Nov-Apr For African tracks, something like smoothness:conditional = horrible @ May-Oct smoothness:conditional = very_horrible @ Nov-Apr or smoothness = horrible smoothness:conditional = very_horrible @ Nov-Apr All with seasonal=yes to indicate the random aspect of the time condition. Do you agree? Éric ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Seasonnal roads
>Hi, > >I'm looking how to tag a road with seasonal opening or closing. ... >Up to now, I was using "opening_hours=*" with "Nov-Apr off". Hi Éric, Have you tried: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions Work is under way to help make the page clearer, but essentially your tag would be: * vehicle:conditional = no @ Nov-Apr This would restrict bicycles as well so replace vehicle with motor_vehicle is this is more appropriate. Regards, Rob ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
