Re: [Tagging] What's the default `access` value? | Re: amenity=place_of_worship | Re: Mapping of indigenous sacred / ceremonial sites

2019-04-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 4. Apr. 2019 um 10:53 Uhr schrieb Rory McCann :

> I don't think there can be a default *for all types of PoW*.
> ...
> I think data consumers need to use their heads. ... If you're making a
> site to show tourist-y places in
> a city, don't include `amenity=place_of_worship` with
> `access=adherent(s)/no/private`, and if there's no `access` tag, then
> look at the other tags/location and make an educated guess. If you're
> making a "Find my local Catholic Church" app, then include
> `access=adherents` or a missing `access` tag on a catholic church.




exactly, well said!

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] What's the default `access` value? | Re: amenity=place_of_worship | Re: Mapping of indigenous sacred / ceremonial sites

2019-04-04 Thread Andy Townsend

On 04/04/2019 09:52, Rory McCann wrote:


So what's the default `access` for `amenity=place_of_worship`?

I don't think there can be a default *for all types of PoW*.

Spot on - and actually that applies to plenty of other things within OSM 
too (for example - highway=track).  Anyone consuming OSM (or in fact any 
other) data needs to sanity check it themselves based on all sorts of 
other info (including where it is).


Best Regards,

Andy



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Re: [Tagging] What's the default `access` value? | Re: amenity=place_of_worship | Re: Mapping of indigenous sacred / ceremonial sites

2019-04-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny

Apr 4, 2019, 10:52 AM by r...@technomancy.org:

> So what's the default `access` for `amenity=place_of_worship`?
>
> I don't think there can be a default *for all types of PoW*.
>
>  * `access=permissive` is the default for Catholic church facilities in
> Ireland, but `access=private` for Catholic friaries & monasteries.
>
>  * `access=adherent(s)` for some Muslim facilities in Morocco (right?)
>
According to materials that I remember checking of all mosques in
Morocco only Hassan II Mosque and Tin Mal Mosque are
open for non-Muslims.

>
>  * `access=permissive` for Mormon genealogy facilities, but
> `access=adherent(s)` to the Mormon temple facility (right?)
>
> I think data consumers need to use their heads. If you're making a
> cycling routing engine, use a default `bicycle=no` for
> `highway=motorway`. If you're making a site to show tourist-y places in
> a city, don't include `amenity=place_of_worship` with
> `access=adherent(s)/no/private`, and if there's no `access` tag, then
> look at the other tags/location and make an educated guess. If you're
> making a "Find my local Catholic Church" app, then include
> `access=adherents` or a missing `access` tag on a catholic church.
>
I agree, though tagging some (even obvious for locals) access info may
be helpful.
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