Re: [Tagging] test track tagging (vs highway=raceway)

[Richard Welty]

On 11/2/16 2:34 AM, Tijmen Stam wrote:
>
> To add in, at  we
> have a nice collection of circuits, from northeast to southwest:
> * The RDW (state office for road traffic) test track, marked mainly as
> highway=service but some raceway
> * A cart track (marked as raceway) with associated dirt track (not
> marked other than with land use)
> * The ANWB (driver's club, say AAA) driver's training track (not for a
> driver's permit but for anti-slip training etc), most marked as raceway
> * A seemingly commercial (or non-profit) race track, marked on their
> site as "for events, tv-productions and races", all actual track
> marked as raceway, but the small connecting bits as service, with a
> dirt track only marked by landuse
my normal race track tagging rule of thumb is to use highway=raceway for
"hot"
areas (places where race cars are expected to be at speed), which
includes the
pit lane, and then use highway=service for low speed access roads.

racing karts is real racing, so i use highway=raceway for kart tracks.

and i think that dirt courses that have some sort of permanent status and
are used for competition are deserving of highway=raceway as well.

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Re: [Tagging] test track tagging (vs highway=raceway)

[Tijmen Stam]

On 30-10-16 00:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

btw. also this test track which I have seen personally, is mistagged as
"raceway", while it actually is a private test track for new cars inside
the production
plant: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/6060348#map=14/48.6953/8.9940
(there's another one just besides it). These are not raceways, as there
are no races. They're used to test new models and to individually adjust
the settings of every produced car of the current top models (prior to
delivering them to the customer)


To add in, at  we 
have a nice collection of circuits, from northeast to southwest:
* The RDW (state office for road traffic) test track, marked mainly as 
highway=service but some raceway
* A cart track (marked as raceway) with associated dirt track (not 
marked other than with land use)
* The ANWB (driver's club, say AAA) driver's training track (not for a 
driver's permit but for anti-slip training etc), most marked as raceway
* A seemingly commercial (or non-profit) race track, marked on their 
site as "for events, tv-productions and races", all actual track marked 
as raceway, but the small connecting bits as service, with a dirt track 
only marked by landuse


Tijmen / IIVQ



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Re: [Tagging] test track tagging (vs highway=raceway)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

btw. also this test track which I have seen personally, is mistagged as 
"raceway", while it actually is a private test track for new cars inside the 
production plant: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/6060348#map=14/48.6953/8.9940
(there's another one just besides it). These are not raceways, as there are no 
races. They're used to test new models and to individually adjust the settings 
of every produced car of the current top models (prior to delivering them to 
the customer)

cheers,
Martin 


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Re: [Tagging] test track tagging (vs highway=raceway)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Il giorno 29 ott 2016, alle ore 16:35, Hakuch  ha scritto:
> 
> for testing/training driver skills. Actually I dont know
> if there is a tag for parcours of driving schools? Nothing mentioned on
> the driving_school wikipage


yes, these are not necessarily associated with driving schools, they're also 
for experienced drivers to learn to deal with slippery road conditions and 
emergency braking / obstacle avoiding (German term: Fahrsicherheitstraining 
gives 2 hits in Austria, one tagged as industrial landuse, the other as 
commercial landuse, i.e. both apparently mistagged: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/33791953
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/142113906
)

cheers,
Martin 

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Re: [Tagging] test track tagging (vs highway=raceway)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Il giorno 25 ott 2016, alle ore 21:09, Max  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> There are also test tracks/circuits that are part of the public streets and 
> just marked with tiny signs.


+1, there are also regular public streets with no markings at all used by 
automobile manufacturers to test new cars, e.g. the German motorway A81 
Stuttgart-Singen has become infamous for this due to several fatal accidents 
(one was a young mother and her 2 kids, she was so surprised by a fast 
approaching test car that she made an accident), another one here: 
http://m.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/a-714945.html

I would not tag this in any particular way though.

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Re: [Tagging] test track tagging (vs highway=raceway)

[Hakuch]

but thats different to what is asked here for. One is for testing the
vehicles, yours for testing/training driver skills. Actually I dont know
if there is a tag for parcours of driving schools? Nothing mentioned on
the driving_school wikipage


On 25.10.2016 20:54, Jerry Clough - OSM wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> Not just test tracks. Your post instantly brought to mind the training track 
> at the Police school outside Merida. I'm sure other Police training 
> establishments must also have tracks designed for training of advanced 
> driving skills.
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> My reaction is that this is a rare case where  I think the original tag still 
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> test_track, training_track), I suggest the way to go is to subtag with 
> raceway=*. Raceway is already used a) for some of these other types of track; 
> and b) also applies to motocross and other disciplines. I presume the 
> preponderance of these specialised motor tracks are used for racing of one 
> form or another; and that test tracks are only a small proportion. (I also 
> suspect that driving at speed is often a part of testing and training).
> Cheers,
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>   From: Richard Welty 
>  To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"  
>  Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2016, 16:46
>  Subject: [Tagging] test track tagging (vs highway=raceway)
>
> i don't have a particular proposal in mind for this, just looking for input.
> 
> there are various tracks in the world that are not used for racing, but
> for testing only. major auto manufacturers have their own tracks, and
> independent organizations do too (for example, the US publication
> Consumer Reports has converted an old drag racing complex in CT into
> their own private test facility. likewise i believe there is a small private
> test facility on the grounds of the old Brooklands oval in the UK.)
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> what kind of tagging do folks think is appropriate for these?
> 
> richard
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Re: [Tagging] test track tagging (vs highway=raceway)

[Max]

There are also test tracks/circuits that are part of the public streets 
and just marked with tiny signs.



On 2016년 10월 20일 17:46, Richard Welty wrote:

i don't have a particular proposal in mind for this, just looking for input.

there are various tracks in the world that are not used for racing, but
for testing only. major auto manufacturers have their own tracks, and
independent organizations do too (for example, the US publication
Consumer Reports has converted an old drag racing complex in CT into
their own private test facility. likewise i believe there is a small private
test facility on the grounds of the old Brooklands oval in the UK.)

what kind of tagging do folks think is appropriate for these?

richard



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Re: [Tagging] test track tagging (vs highway=raceway)

[Jerry Clough - OSM]

Hi Richard,
Not just test tracks. Your post instantly brought to mind the training track at 
the Police school outside Merida. I'm sure other Police training establishments 
must also have tracks designed for training of advanced driving skills.
  
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My reaction is that this is a rare case where  I think the original tag still 
does the bulk of the work. Rather than split into multiple values (raceway, 
test_track, training_track), I suggest the way to go is to subtag with 
raceway=*. Raceway is already used a) for some of these other types of track; 
and b) also applies to motocross and other disciplines. I presume the 
preponderance of these specialised motor tracks are used for racing of one form 
or another; and that test tracks are only a small proportion. (I also suspect 
that driving at speed is often a part of testing and training).
Cheers,
Jerry

  From: Richard Welty 
 To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"  
 Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2016, 16:46
 Subject: [Tagging] test track tagging (vs highway=raceway)
   
i don't have a particular proposal in mind for this, just looking for input.

there are various tracks in the world that are not used for racing, but
for testing only. major auto manufacturers have their own tracks, and
independent organizations do too (for example, the US publication
Consumer Reports has converted an old drag racing complex in CT into
their own private test facility. likewise i believe there is a small private
test facility on the grounds of the old Brooklands oval in the UK.)

what kind of tagging do folks think is appropriate for these?

richard

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