Re: [Tagging] unused tags and properties

[Philip Barnes]

On Wednesday, 1 May 2019, Warin wrote:
> Fridge, stove and sink would be handy for some camp sites ... I came 
> across one camp site with a fridge .. standing all by itself in the open 
> (with a power point connection). Most of these woiuld be 'inside' a camp 
> kitchen .. (some camp kitchens have no walls just a roof.
 
 
The other common object you find on campsites is a microwave.

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Tagging] unused tags and properties

[Warin]

Fridge, stove and sink would be handy for some camp sites ... I came 
across one camp site with a fridge .. standing all by itself in the open 
(with a power point connection). Most of these woiuld be 'inside' a camp 
kitchen .. (some camp kitchens have no walls just a roof.



... On 27/04/19 16:38, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:




27 Apr 2019, 01:54 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:

A few people continue to add unused tags and properties to feature
definitions, e.g. looking at the page for tourism=guesthouse,
which is quite long in the meantime, you can find "proposed"
values with names like
"fridge"
"stove"
"drying:room"
"dinner"
which all hardly reach a 2 digit number of usage.


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dguest_house

For the "view" tag there isn't even a definition.

I believe treating the wiki like this will generally lead to a
decline in quality of our documentation, because immature tags are
pushed that haven't undergone any kind of peer review (aparently).

Am I the only one with these concerns?

No, you are not the only one. In case of such barely used tags added 
in the form of
an unreadable table I think that immediate revert of such edit is the 
best solution.


Inventing new tags is OK, using new tags is OK, documenting new tags 
is OK and desirable.


But linking your tag that is barely used everywhere is an unwelcome spam.

In such situation I revert edit as soon as I spot it, especially for 
users who did it already
many times and have aggressive usernames that claim to not be experts 
rather than newbies.


example of previous spam wave (mass spamming of broken 
shop=street_vendor tag):


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Dvending_machine=prev=1835047
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=ES:Tag:amenity%3Dvending_machine=prev=1835048
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=FR:Tag:amenity%3Dvending_machine=prev=1835049
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=NL:Tag:amenity%3Dvending_machine=prev=1835051
and in many other languages, also for other shop types


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Re: [Tagging] unused tags and properties

[Mateusz Konieczny]

27 Apr 2019, 01:54 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:

> A few people continue to add unused tags and properties to feature 
> definitions, e.g. looking at the page for tourism=guesthouse, which is quite 
> long in the meantime, you can find "proposed" values with names like
> "fridge"
> "stove"
> "drying:room"
> "dinner"
> which all hardly reach a 2 digit number of usage.
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dguest_house 
> 
>
> For the "view" tag there isn't even a definition.
>
> I believe treating the wiki like this will generally lead to a decline in 
> quality of our documentation, because immature tags are pushed that haven't 
> undergone any kind of peer review (aparently).
>
> Am I the only one with these concerns?
>
No, you are not the only one. In case of such barely used tags added in the 
form of 
an unreadable table I think that immediate revert of such edit is the best 
solution.

Inventing new tags is OK, using new tags is OK, documenting new tags is OK and 
desirable.

But linking your tag that is barely used everywhere is an unwelcome spam.

In such situation I revert edit as soon as I spot it, especially for users who 
did it already
many times and have aggressive usernames that claim to not be experts rather 
than newbies.

example of previous spam wave (mass spamming of broken shop=street_vendor tag):

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Dvending_machine=prev=1835047
 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=ES:Tag:amenity%3Dvending_machine=prev=1835048
 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=FR:Tag:amenity%3Dvending_machine=prev=1835049
 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=NL:Tag:amenity%3Dvending_machine=prev=1835051
 

and in many other languages, also for other shop types
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Re: [Tagging] unused tags and properties

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

I agree. The wiki is a point of entry for inexperienced contributors and 
should therefore document established practices rather than serve as a 
way to make marginal ideas appear established.


That said, the subjectivity of what constitutes "established practices" 
guarantees controversy...



On 4/27/19 1:54 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
A few people continue to add unused tags and properties to feature 
definitions, e.g. looking at the page for tourism=guesthouse, which is 
quite long in the meantime, you can find "proposed" values with names like

"fridge"
"stove"
"drying:room"
"dinner"
which all hardly reach a 2 digit number of usage.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dguest_house

For the "view" tag there isn't even a definition.

I believe treating the wiki like this will generally lead to a decline 
in quality of our documentation, because immature tags are pushed that 
haven't undergone any kind of peer review (aparently).


Am I the only one with these concerns?



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