Re: [Tails-dev] Arbitrary DNS queries... and Tor 0.2.2.x
07/27/2011 12:47 PM, intrigeri: > Hi, > >> While I'm not against it in principle, I wonder if this specific >> feature is important enough to break our policy of keeping Tor at >> the latest stable in every release. To me this move seems a bit >> arbitrary; I'd expect most future RCs to contain features of at >> least as much importance, so if we'd be consistent we'd basically >> always ship an RC when available. > > If we feel the -rc is as good (or even better) for Tails users than > the -stable is, then I think it shows our policy would be enhanced if > it were changed to "latest stable or RC release, as we think is best > for Tails users at freeze time". I could easily back it off if others > have problems with it, though. Sounds reasonable to me. However, I interpret a Tor stable release as having a mark of quality, so I'd like to have some thorough investigation on the stability of an RC before shipping it, like scouring the bug tracker and maybe even asking the Tor devs of their impression. >> Or am I missing something? Is the current inability to query non-A >> records breaking something for the average Tails user? > > I fully agree the average Tails user uses the WWW, does not care about > the Internet, and thus does not care about non-A records. For ethical > reasons, I'd rather not to see Tails contribute too much in this > trend, and I'd love to see Tails able to perform basic Internet > non-WWW tasks such as resolving MX requests. OTOH, I've been living > with this inability since Tails beginnings, so solving it is for sure > no emergency at all :) I agree -- my point was solely about focus. I think the main focus should be Joe Sixpack, so if pulling an RC fixes something in his use case I'm all for breaking our policy. But for this one I'm not sure, although I have no strong feelings against doing so. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ tails-dev mailing list tails-dev@boum.org https://boum.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev
Re: [Tails-dev] Arbitrary DNS queries... and Tor 0.2.2.x
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 12:22 +0200, intrigeri wrote: > Hi, > > a...@boum.org wrote (27 Jul 2011 07:36:55 GMT) : > > I think it makes a lot of sense to actually switch the devel branch > > to the current Tor beta version when it's available. By doing so, we > > might notice bugs that other Tor users would not. > > Hrm... I'm not sure your proposal is taking into account that our > devel branch is not an experimental playground, but rather something > meant to become a Tails stable release at some point. According to > this proposal, completed by the lines you wrote bellow, we would not > be able to get a Tails major release out during the [ first beta, > stable release ] time span, which does not seem reasonable to me. > > > In this particular case, I think it's a reasonable blocker to > m> actually wait for the Tor project to declare the 0.2.2 branch as > > stable before releasing Tails 0.8. FroM a "concerned user" point of view, I totally agree to stick with stable Tor branch. Exception to this general rule can of course happen for serious reasons, but the current one seems not enough important to me JM2C. Keep up this good work! Marco signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ tails-dev mailing list tails-dev@boum.org https://boum.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev
Re: [Tails-dev] Arbitrary DNS queries... and Tor 0.2.2.x
Hi, > While I'm not against it in principle, I wonder if this specific > feature is important enough to break our policy of keeping Tor at > the latest stable in every release. To me this move seems a bit > arbitrary; I'd expect most future RCs to contain features of at > least as much importance, so if we'd be consistent we'd basically > always ship an RC when available. If we feel the -rc is as good (or even better) for Tails users than the -stable is, then I think it shows our policy would be enhanced if it were changed to "latest stable or RC release, as we think is best for Tails users at freeze time". I could easily back it off if others have problems with it, though. > Or am I missing something? Is the current inability to query non-A > records breaking something for the average Tails user? I fully agree the average Tails user uses the WWW, does not care about the Internet, and thus does not care about non-A records. For ethical reasons, I'd rather not to see Tails contribute too much in this trend, and I'd love to see Tails able to perform basic Internet non-WWW tasks such as resolving MX requests. OTOH, I've been living with this inability since Tails beginnings, so solving it is for sure no emergency at all :) Bye, -- intrigeri | GnuPG key @ https://gaffer.ptitcanardnoir.org/intrigeri/intrigeri.asc | OTR fingerprint @ https://gaffer.ptitcanardnoir.org/intrigeri/otr.asc | So what? ___ tails-dev mailing list tails-dev@boum.org https://boum.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev
Re: [Tails-dev] Arbitrary DNS queries... and Tor 0.2.2.x
Hi, a...@boum.org wrote (27 Jul 2011 07:36:55 GMT) : > I think it makes a lot of sense to actually switch the devel branch > to the current Tor beta version when it's available. By doing so, we > might notice bugs that other Tor users would not. Hrm... I'm not sure your proposal is taking into account that our devel branch is not an experimental playground, but rather something meant to become a Tails stable release at some point. According to this proposal, completed by the lines you wrote bellow, we would not be able to get a Tails major release out during the [ first beta, stable release ] time span, which does not seem reasonable to me. > In this particular case, I think it's a reasonable blocker to > actually wait for the Tor project to declare the 0.2.2 branch as > stable before releasing Tails 0.8. Bye, -- intrigeri | GnuPG key @ https://gaffer.ptitcanardnoir.org/intrigeri/intrigeri.asc | OTR fingerprint @ https://gaffer.ptitcanardnoir.org/intrigeri/otr.asc | Who wants a world in which the guarantee that we shall not | die of starvation would entail the risk of dying of boredom ? ___ tails-dev mailing list tails-dev@boum.org https://boum.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev
Re: [Tails-dev] Arbitrary DNS queries... and Tor 0.2.2.x
> > Proposal: install Tor 0.2.2.x RC in the devel branch, meant to prepare > > Tails 0.8, and fix that annoying DNS configuration in there (I > > prepared last part in commit 849e922 of > > feature/support_arbitrary_dns_queries Git branch, built a Tails image > > from it, and tested it with Tor 0.2.2 RC. Seems to work nicely.) > > > > What do you think? > > While I'm not against it in principle, I wonder if this specific feature > is important enough to break our policy of keeping Tor at the latest > stable in every release. To me this move seems a bit arbitrary; I'd > expect most future RCs to contain features of at least as much > importance, so if we'd be consistent we'd basically always ship an RC > when available. I think it makes a lot of sense to actually switch the devel branch to the current Tor beta version when it's available. By doing so, we might notice bugs that other Tor users would not. In this particular case, I think it's a reasonable blocker to actually wait for the Tor project to declare the 0.2.2 branch as stable before releasing Tails 0.8. Alan -- pgpU76Ixf3eew.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ tails-dev mailing list tails-dev@boum.org https://boum.org/mailman/listinfo/tails-dev
