Re: [Tails-dev] Cloudflare
On 06/10/2014 08:42 PM, Tobias Frei wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi x3dre, On 06.10.2014, 16:26, x3...@unseen.is wrote: [...] Though having to authenticate oneself as a Human means you're giving up your anonymity, even using TOR ... You're giving up your anonymity by entering a CAPTCHA? :) Yes I am having to do just that to many sites now that is coming under the cloudflare banner. Here is one for example http://www.change.org/p/2108459?share_id=YwVZVdJmzzutm_campaign=share_button_action_boxutm_medium=facebookutm_source=share_petition If I browse in the unsafe or standard iceweasel browser I do not get challenged. I only get challenged using the TBB or Tails. The exit node will be discovered in the process.. The list of exit nodes is already public. https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#HideExits Best regards, Tobias Frei -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJUMvCQAAoJEOaAxTHjKzK7u/AQAJ9YPJlNSnRC3FEqrPvKMIG4 Ik+wPiCh27XDkwILbDZc9EnhIbjIvBmTb+zZsZW5wAtk606OnjEYU6ee0UxLU3PN Gy1MB+VAqjsnfSDS2Jq3MCMSfyJXM9MzaR1FwUq82AmV0Vbr1VzNEXrgAo8CoTeF eul9pKmFRQPS51ePMIPyRYu297BD1bmdFHsRNYINk3ldUli5+JPw+h2A+yboqAB3 zSd7XxY8JWiDydveiGJhdxePUoq0DK2rP/kyTfVXD795z/1+SLvZLrBeNxSk0HH9 nVFbw9Jr/U9PFuV3qTvzON5dt3hm2UsBlAJyvrdoVBBenLvmUbvk4kLEjfnnMSnQ GW/ecFqrhldp6Yd2rfLL26QgQRN9sVZxshl7j4HkiW+2VImZ8ffJsOnPLxacpSED wMGSA3gdCokh4saf1zaT0tCAtvccRtMf/DZbcMehBdlfSq28sEGZGkReMV0KSmzn kBfOxJyUcRNV6dwJ0Og1kDfUzsK/gTIs2gmttesnZmKa22e/E7dRfBY6FhFrMQEX 4X1NGNMVFbgdmaIM0w2lVnbRpuCirbI00hAkgaPLSgq2eYsbwm6be6zL3xfM50fp OAbII3I3sn161sGxMI7ALZ3YBfk7pWmU2PMGOyBxmYpZn0sVXRWOLnM7fUYe3PJh nw4YXAlNlxqKloD8mYcL =60+B -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Cloudflare
Hi x3dre, what I was trying to say is that you probably don't give up your anonymity just because you enter a CAPTCHA. How would a CAPTCHA break your anonymity in any way? All information you give to someone offering a CAPTCHA is that you are not a bot. You're one of these 7 billion people on Earth, that's all a CAPTCHA will reduce your anonymity to, as far as I know. ;) Best regards, Tobias Frei Am 07.10.2014 um 17:38 schrieb x3...@unseen.is: On 06/10/2014 08:42 PM, Tobias Frei wrote: Hi x3dre, On 06.10.2014, 16:26, x3...@unseen.is wrote: [...] Though having to authenticate oneself as a Human means you're giving up your anonymity, even using TOR ... You're giving up your anonymity by entering a CAPTCHA? :) Yes I am having to do just that to many sites now that is coming under the cloudflare banner. Here is one for example http://www.change.org/p/2108459?share_id=YwVZVdJmzzutm_campaign=share_button_action_boxutm_medium=facebookutm_source=share_petition If I browse in the unsafe or standard iceweasel browser I do not get challenged. I only get challenged using the TBB or Tails. The exit node will be discovered in the process.. The list of exit nodes is already public. https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#HideExits Best regards, Tobias Frei ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Cloudflare
On 07/10/2014 05:20 PM, Tobias Frei wrote: Hi x3dre, what I was trying to say is that you probably don't give up your anonymity just because you enter a CAPTCHA. How would a CAPTCHA break your anonymity in any way? All information you give to someone offering a CAPTCHA is that you are not a bot. You're one of these 7 billion people on Earth, that's all a CAPTCHA will reduce your anonymity to, as far as I know. ;) I was concerned mainly as by having a third party gate keeper, which seems to only want Tails or TBB users to type into a CAPTCHA is a good way of working out the identity of the connection. I might be wrong in my assumption. Though if one is doing any sensitive internet work do not wish to go through a gatekeeper type system, then this seems to me to give away some little piece of the identity. Anyhow I just won't use the site or sites with cloudflare umbrella checking out TOR connections. Best regards, Tobias Frei Am 07.10.2014 um 17:38 schrieb x3...@unseen.is: On 06/10/2014 08:42 PM, Tobias Frei wrote: Hi x3dre, On 06.10.2014, 16:26, x3...@unseen.is wrote: [...] Though having to authenticate oneself as a Human means you're giving up your anonymity, even using TOR ... You're giving up your anonymity by entering a CAPTCHA? :) Yes I am having to do just that to many sites now that is coming under the cloudflare banner. Here is one for example http://www.change.org/p/2108459?share_id=YwVZVdJmzzutm_campaign=share_button_action_boxutm_medium=facebookutm_source=share_petition If I browse in the unsafe or standard iceweasel browser I do not get challenged. I only get challenged using the TBB or Tails. The exit node will be discovered in the process.. The list of exit nodes is already public. https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#HideExits Best regards, Tobias Frei ___ ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
[Tails-dev] Cloudflare
I'm noticing many websites are going under Cloudflare for so called protection bad bots, malware domains etc.. Though having to authenticate oneself as a Human means you're giving up your anonymity, even using TOR ... The exit node will be discovered in the process.. Are the dev team aware of this ? x3dre ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Cloudflare
Hi, x3...@unseen.is wrote (06 Oct 2014 14:26:57 GMT) : I'm noticing many websites are going under Cloudflare for so called protection bad bots, malware domains etc.. Though having to authenticate oneself as a Human means you're giving up your anonymity, even using TOR ... The exit node will be discovered in the process.. It's unclear to me what you mean exactly here, but the way I understand it, you're overstating the problem quite a bit. Are the dev team aware of this ? This has been discussed at length on tor-talk (or tor-dev?) recently. Cheers, -- intrigeri ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Cloudflare
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi x3dre, On 06.10.2014, 16:26, x3...@unseen.is wrote: [...] Though having to authenticate oneself as a Human means you're giving up your anonymity, even using TOR ... You're giving up your anonymity by entering a CAPTCHA? :) The exit node will be discovered in the process.. The list of exit nodes is already public. https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#HideExits Best regards, Tobias Frei -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJUMvCQAAoJEOaAxTHjKzK7u/AQAJ9YPJlNSnRC3FEqrPvKMIG4 Ik+wPiCh27XDkwILbDZc9EnhIbjIvBmTb+zZsZW5wAtk606OnjEYU6ee0UxLU3PN Gy1MB+VAqjsnfSDS2Jq3MCMSfyJXM9MzaR1FwUq82AmV0Vbr1VzNEXrgAo8CoTeF eul9pKmFRQPS51ePMIPyRYu297BD1bmdFHsRNYINk3ldUli5+JPw+h2A+yboqAB3 zSd7XxY8JWiDydveiGJhdxePUoq0DK2rP/kyTfVXD795z/1+SLvZLrBeNxSk0HH9 nVFbw9Jr/U9PFuV3qTvzON5dt3hm2UsBlAJyvrdoVBBenLvmUbvk4kLEjfnnMSnQ GW/ecFqrhldp6Yd2rfLL26QgQRN9sVZxshl7j4HkiW+2VImZ8ffJsOnPLxacpSED wMGSA3gdCokh4saf1zaT0tCAtvccRtMf/DZbcMehBdlfSq28sEGZGkReMV0KSmzn kBfOxJyUcRNV6dwJ0Og1kDfUzsK/gTIs2gmttesnZmKa22e/E7dRfBY6FhFrMQEX 4X1NGNMVFbgdmaIM0w2lVnbRpuCirbI00hAkgaPLSgq2eYsbwm6be6zL3xfM50fp OAbII3I3sn161sGxMI7ALZ3YBfk7pWmU2PMGOyBxmYpZn0sVXRWOLnM7fUYe3PJh nw4YXAlNlxqKloD8mYcL =60+B -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
