Re: [Tails-dev] TOR browser addon Adblock Plus vs. uBlock
L.R. D.S. arrowscr...@mail.com wrote: I should interpret better these 'sjw' guideline before enter here. It's all about ethics in talking about what to ship with Tails? it's not on debian repo too, maybe should not be used on Tails...]), Someone already pointed out that it _is_ in Debian: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=defaultsection=allarch=anysearchon=nameskeywords=xul-ext-adblock-plus As has been pointed out, things included in Tails come from Debian. Two notable exceptions are I2P and TBB. There had been plans to remove adblock from Tails but that plan was scrapped at hour 11½. (https://labs.riseup.net/code/issues/8665) The fact is that until ublock is packaged for Debian it's rather unlikely that it will be included in Tails for reasons already mentioned by a previous poster. ps: A pf firewall or dns filtering would be more effective and efficient then a addon. That all websites in Tails are accessed via Tor (via 127.0.0.1) makes this point false. pgpWbcDMzHB5J.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] TOR browser addon Adblock Plus vs. uBlock
Hi, L.R. D.S.: We want to take as many components as possible directly from Debian to reduce the number of install sources and to keep the differences to a normal Debian low. So what? What a BS, forgive me. Adblock Plus is not on Debian repository and it's on Tails. Same for others addons on TBB shipped with Tails. If you guys don't want to audit it, we understand. But don't make such BS, you loose your trust on community doing this. First of all, please read our code of conduct [1]. If that is too long, then I'd like to remind its basic guideline: Be excellent to each other. Now, concerning the inclusion of add-ons. As Tails ships Tor Browser, if Tails includes add-ons that the original Tor Browser does not have, this makes Tails users more distinguishable, and thus reduces the anonymity set. We have discussed this issue on this mailing list several times in the past. [2] This does by no means mean that it can't be rediscussed, but please discuss it with those informations in mind. The same also goes for other addons which are not part of upstream Tor Browser. If you want them included by default, I might suggest to ask the Torproject first. And in any case you can install them on your Tails device if you like. Cheers! u. [1] https://tails.boum.org/contribute/working_together/code_of_conduct/ [2] see this thread: https://mailman.boum.org/pipermail/tails-dev/2015-January/007821.html ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] TOR browser addon Adblock Plus vs. uBlock
Hi L.R. D.S., Stating your opinion on a controversial topic and announcing to leave the list in the same message feels like someone shouting their opinion into a room full of people and slamming the door from the outside before anyone can react. Also, doing so after someone pointed out to you why your criticism was probably unjustified makes this behavior even more sad, I'd say. I'm sure nobody here thinks that criticism has to be perfect, and I also don't think that - even after your first angry reaction - a calm, objective explanation of the reasons for the criticized current behavior is dodging at all. About the PS, Tails already makes use of iptables to prevent (nearly) any non-Tor traffic from happening. However, using a firewall to block specific web pages will probably not work in the way you might expect it to do - if there is the legitimate site http://example.org/information, and the advertisement banner http://example.org/advertisement.png, then you can't remove that banner by denying access to the IP behind example.org. As far as I know, you could, if the traffic is unencrypted (fails for Tor and even HTTPS itself), use some special iptables rules to intercept all text and block connections that contain what you're looking for. Add 1000 of these rules, and network performance becomes horrible, I guess. DNS solutions additionally fail whenever advertisement hosts are referenced using their IP address instead of their hostname. http://192.0.2.1/advertisement.png evades DNS solutions. For Tails/Tor specifically, there's another huge problem with your suggestion: DNS lookups are performed by the exit node, not your own computer. Else, your DNS provider could easily see which hostnames you look up, breaking anonymity. Connections in general are not made directly to the web hosts, but instead to the Tor entry node, which forwards your request. The only place to implement firewall/DNS adblocking would be the exit node, not the computer running Tails. I'm pretty sure you don't want the exit node operator to decide which hosts you and all other Tor users are allowed to connect to. ;D Without any dodging at all, I hope, this explains why neither firewall nor DNS solutions can be more effective and efficient than a browser addon for blocking advertisements on web pages. After all, use cases like this one are what browser addons exist for. Have a nice day, and feel free to come back whenever you want to. ^.^ Best regards, Tobias Frei [just yet another guest; not an official list admin statement or whatever it might look like.] Am 17.05.2015 um 01:42 schrieb L.R. D.S.: basic guideline: Be excellent to each other. I do not agree with this. I should interpret better these 'sjw' guideline before enter here. By the way, I think you folks are using it to dodge the critic. If you think that a critic need to be excellent in all ways, then you'll never have a real critic here after all. I'll just remove myself from this list to evite more non-excellent mails. ps: A pf firewall or dns filtering would be more effective and efficient then a addon. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] TOR browser addon Adblock Plus vs. uBlock
basic guideline: Be excellent to each other. I do not agree with this. I should interpret better these 'sjw' guideline before enter here. By the way, I think you folks are using it to dodge the critic. If you think that a critic need to be excellent in all ways, then you'll never have a real critic here after all. I'll just remove myself from this list to evite more non-excellent mails. ps: A pf firewall or dns filtering would be more effective and efficient then a addon. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] TOR browser addon Adblock Plus vs. uBlock
Hi, [please don't Cc me, I read the list.] Maria Baumgartner wrote (15 May 2015 07:14:44 GMT) : Preinstalled with tails comes the tor browser, it includes the addon Adblock Plus. This addon has gotten into critics lately as there might be paid unblocked content. However there is another addon: uBlock or yBlock (mycro letter) It is leightweight and uses the same blocklists as Adblock Plus but no paid content. Perhaps you could take a look onto this addon and perhaps change the preinstalled adblock plus to uBlock? uBlock is apparently not in Debian yet, is it? See https://tails.boum.org/support/faq/#new_software :) Cheers, -- intrigeri ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] TOR browser addon Adblock Plus vs. uBlock
Sir, it is an Firefox addon downloadable from addons.mozilla.org. It is no apt package. So is the current addon included in tails. best regards Baumgartner Gesendet:Freitag, 15. Mai 2015 um 10:39 Uhr Von:intrigeri intrig...@boum.org An:Maria Baumgartner maria.m.baumgart...@gmx.at, The Tails public development discussion list tails-dev@boum.org Betreff:Re: [Tails-dev] TOR browser addon Adblock Plus vs. uBlock Hi, [please dont Cc me, I read the list.] Maria Baumgartner wrote (15 May 2015 07:14:44 GMT) : Preinstalled with tails comes the tor browser, it includes the addon Adblock Plus. This addon has gotten into critics lately as there might be paid unblocked content. However there is another addon: uBlock or yBlock (mycro letter) It is leightweight and uses the same blocklists as Adblock Plus but no paid content. Perhaps you could take a look onto this addon and perhaps change the preinstalled adblock plus to uBlock? uBlock is apparently not in Debian yet, is it? See https://tails.boum.org/support/faq/#new_software :) Cheers, -- intrigeri ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] TOR browser addon Adblock Plus vs. uBlock
Maria Baumgartner: Sir, it is an Firefox addon downloadable from addons.mozilla.org. It is no apt package. So is the current addon included in tails. best regards Baumgartner intrigeri: See https://tails.boum.org/support/faq/#new_software We want to take as many components as possible directly from Debian to reduce the number of install sources and to keep the differences to a normal Debian low. This way, we can focus on the customisations for Tails and forward bugs and other issues to upstream (Debian), which also makes the improvements available to the complete Debian ecosystem and not only to Tails. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] TOR browser addon Adblock Plus vs. uBlock
ghetto@debian:~$ apt-cache search adblock xul-ext-adblock-plus - advertisement blocking extension for web browsers xul-ext-adblock-plus-element-hiding-helper - companion for Adblock Plus to create element hiding rules anyway i would like to throw in privacybadger in the mix for consideration along with adblock edge, ublock and adblock plus. https://www.eff.org/privacybadger L.R. D.S.: We want to take as many components as possible directly from Debian to reduce the number of install sources and to keep the differences to a normal Debian low. So what? What a BS, forgive me. Adblock Plus is not on Debian repository and it's on Tails. Same for others addons on TBB shipped with Tails. If you guys don't want to audit it, we understand. But don't make such BS, you loose your trust on community doing this. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] TOR browser addon Adblock Plus vs. uBlock
We want to take as many components as possible directly from Debian to reduce the number of install sources and to keep the differences to a normal Debian low. So what? What a BS, forgive me. Adblock Plus is not on Debian repository and it's on Tails. Same for others addons on TBB shipped with Tails. If you guys don't want to audit it, we understand. But don't make such BS, you loose your trust on community doing this. ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
