Re: [GTALUG] Stream URL question

2019-12-29 Thread Peter King via talk 
On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 07:03:31PM -0500, Tom Low-Shang via talk wrote:
 
> I see the same problem with streamripper 1.64.6 on Debian unstable.  
> However ffmpeg 4.2.1 works without any issues.
> 
> Streamripper development is dead (1.64.6 is ten years old) so perhaps it 
> is time to consider alternatives.

You are absolutely right; I have been using Streamripper for years, and,
since it has worked in the past, simply kept using it.  A few brief tries
with ffmpeg make it seem as though it is a working substitute that is kept
up-to-date.  Thanks for the suggestion!

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[GTALUG] Stream URL question

2019-12-29 Thread Peter King via talk 
A few weeks ago, JazzFM changed ... something ... and I was no longer able
to access the live stream at https://ice66.securenetsystems.net/CJRT.  Now
I get an "error -34 [HTTP:401 Unauthorized]" message.  But if I navigate to
that webpage, I get a player that I can click on without any credentials,
and it plays just find.  Since I use Streamripper 1.64.6 under Arch Linux for
time-shifting some of their programming, this is not a workable solution.
Anyone know the address of the live stream I can use now?  Google hasn't
been any help.  Thanks.

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Re: [GTALUG] 10TB drive seen as a 2TB drive (twice?)

2019-12-29 Thread Nicholas Krause via talk 



On 12/29/19 12:02 PM, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:

| From: Evan Leibovitch via talk 

| It's not an Xmas present as it was bought a few weeks ago, but I'm trying
| to install a 10TB WD (Red Pro) disk and it's not exactly going to plan.

Red Pro seem to be "top of the line".  I think that it doesn't use
SMR (good), but I don't know.

You don't say what your USB <-> SATA device is.  I think that matters.
But even if you did, they are often poorly documented with respect to
things that the manufacturers think might confuse users.  You appear
to be in that territory.

Your USB device is surely the reason that your computer sees 512 byte
sectors, even though your drive prefers/demands 4 KiB sectors.
Superstitiously, I wonder whether that alone might disturb the
geometry such that transferring the disk from the external to internal
would not work.

If your USS <-> SATA device is old, it might not even support sizes
over 2T.

(I have a couple of older NAS boxes that claim they only support SATA
drives up to 2T.)

Suggestions: one of

- Mount your drive in its ultimate destination (internal bay, with
   SATA connection) and set it up there.

- Mount your drive in a different computer (with a similar OS release)
   and set it up there.  The reason for the "similar OS release"
   suggestion is that filesystem details details might (but it isn't
   common).

- Buy a new (and well-documented) external USB<->SATA device



Western Digital called 4 KiB sectors "Advanced Formatting".  The
transition from 512 B sectors came about a decade ago, painfully.

During the transition, all sorts of hacks were used to paper over the
problem.  Some devices with 4 KiB partitions would pretend and fake
having 512 B partitions if they thought that the computer didn't
understand 4 KiB.  I remember all this faking causing its own set of
problems.

I seem to remember USB<->SATA devices presenting 512 B sectors on the
USB side, even if the drive uses 4 KiB sectors.  This might cause
problems (I don't know).

(Off topic: A single "real" blocksize for SSDs doesn't exist.  There
are several kinds of block sizes for a particular device.  All this is
hidden from the computer.  Too bad: the OS cannot optimize I/O
appropriately.)

That does not matter actually. The optimizations for most
file systems related to hard drives i.e. merging or reading
per block don't matter in a SSD. Brtfs just turns off optimizations
and there was discussion about direct IO being the default for
very fast SSDs actually. If your talking about writes, again that
is just trim or talking to firmware and does not matter unless
your in the embedded world with cheap NAND or data centers.
Most consumer SSDs do over 1000TBW so its not an issue for
most people.

Nick


The main point of Advanced Formatting was to increase density: each
sector has overhead on the disk platter and so reducing the number of
sectors reduced the overhead.

A second reason was that sector addressing of some kind was limited to
2T / 512 or 16T / 4096, so Advanced Formatting allowed a larger
capacity.  At least for MBR partitioning.  But we mostly use GPT
partitioning now, eliminating that problem (I think).

Does your computer use "legacy" booting or EFI?
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Re: [GTALUG] 10TB drive seen as a 2TB drive (twice?)

2019-12-29 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk 
| From: Evan Leibovitch via talk 

| It's not an Xmas present as it was bought a few weeks ago, but I'm trying
| to install a 10TB WD (Red Pro) disk and it's not exactly going to plan.

Red Pro seem to be "top of the line".  I think that it doesn't use
SMR (good), but I don't know.

You don't say what your USB <-> SATA device is.  I think that matters.
But even if you did, they are often poorly documented with respect to
things that the manufacturers think might confuse users.  You appear
to be in that territory.

Your USB device is surely the reason that your computer sees 512 byte
sectors, even though your drive prefers/demands 4 KiB sectors.
Superstitiously, I wonder whether that alone might disturb the
geometry such that transferring the disk from the external to internal
would not work.

If your USS <-> SATA device is old, it might not even support sizes
over 2T.

(I have a couple of older NAS boxes that claim they only support SATA
drives up to 2T.)

Suggestions: one of

- Mount your drive in its ultimate destination (internal bay, with
  SATA connection) and set it up there.

- Mount your drive in a different computer (with a similar OS release)
  and set it up there.  The reason for the "similar OS release"
  suggestion is that filesystem details details might (but it isn't
  common).

- Buy a new (and well-documented) external USB<->SATA device



Western Digital called 4 KiB sectors "Advanced Formatting".  The
transition from 512 B sectors came about a decade ago, painfully.

During the transition, all sorts of hacks were used to paper over the
problem.  Some devices with 4 KiB partitions would pretend and fake
having 512 B partitions if they thought that the computer didn't
understand 4 KiB.  I remember all this faking causing its own set of
problems.

I seem to remember USB<->SATA devices presenting 512 B sectors on the
USB side, even if the drive uses 4 KiB sectors.  This might cause
problems (I don't know).

(Off topic: A single "real" blocksize for SSDs doesn't exist.  There
are several kinds of block sizes for a particular device.  All this is
hidden from the computer.  Too bad: the OS cannot optimize I/O
appropriately.)

The main point of Advanced Formatting was to increase density: each
sector has overhead on the disk platter and so reducing the number of
sectors reduced the overhead.

A second reason was that sector addressing of some kind was limited to
2T / 512 or 16T / 4096, so Advanced Formatting allowed a larger
capacity.  At least for MBR partitioning.  But we mostly use GPT
partitioning now, eliminating that problem (I think).

Does your computer use "legacy" booting or EFI?
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Re: [GTALUG] 10TB drive seen as a 2TB drive (twice?)

2019-12-29 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk 
Hi Howard,

The motherboard is an Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS
.
What am I looking for?
There are already two existing drives, a Seagate 4TB (ST4000DM000)and a WD
3TB (WD30EFRX), that have been working fine.

- Evan




On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 10:46, Howard Gibson via talk 
wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 00:05:17 -0500
> Evan Leibovitch via talk  wrote:
> >
> > The system already has an SSD as /dec/sda, and two disks one of 3TB and
> the
> > other of 4TB, all working fine.
> >
> > When I attach the external drive, lsblock and fdisk -l both report TWO
> new
> > drives, /dev/sdd and /dev/sde, both of 2TB size. I went into set the disk
> > from DOS to GPT but the size didn't change;
>
> Evan,
>
>Is your motherboard MBR or GPT?  I have had a nasty experience with my
> old motherboard and a new Western Digital GPT formatted drive.
>
>http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/RevLinux/#x1-8D
>
>I found that Western Digital GPT drives were difficult to use.  I was
> able to make Seagate drives work
>
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Re: [GTALUG] 10TB drive seen as a 2TB drive (twice?)

2019-12-29 Thread Howard Gibson via talk 
On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 00:05:17 -0500
Evan Leibovitch via talk  wrote:
> 
> The system already has an SSD as /dec/sda, and two disks one of 3TB and the
> other of 4TB, all working fine.
> 
> When I attach the external drive, lsblock and fdisk -l both report TWO new
> drives, /dev/sdd and /dev/sde, both of 2TB size. I went into set the disk
> from DOS to GPT but the size didn't change;

Evan,

   Is your motherboard MBR or GPT?  I have had a nasty experience with my old 
motherboard and a new Western Digital GPT formatted drive.  

   http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson/RevLinux/#x1-8D

   I found that Western Digital GPT drives were difficult to use.  I was able 
to make Seagate drives work 

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Re: [GTALUG] 10TB drive seen as a 2TB drive (twice?)

2019-12-29 Thread James Knott via talk 

On 2019-12-29 12:05 AM, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
When I attach the external drive, lsblock and fdisk -l both report TWO 
new drives, /dev/sdd and /dev/sde, both of 2TB size. I went into set 
the disk from DOS to GPT but the size didn't change;


What does your mom board support?  Any limitation there?
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