Re: [GTALUG] dsl modem ideas for bell?
Karen, I am on Primus for DSL and land line. This service comes in through Bell's phone lines. When I installed Primus' DSL modem, admittedly quite a few years ago, I was sent a filter for each of my connections. I have a 56K Hayes style modem, which does not work unless I turn off the DSL modem. Otherwise, everything works fine. On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 23:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: > By filter, do you mean those little thingies one could put on the phone > to prevent interference? > When bell moved me here they claimed I did not need them, but I will dig > one out to see if it helps. > Bell techs have checked the lines to my apartment, the jack itself, and > the cables being used. > not sure what might be more local. > The filter replacement is a fine idea. > Kare > > > > On Thu, 8 Oct 2020, James Knott via talk wrote: > > > The modem shouldn't be making noise. Is the filter on the phone(s)? When > > you have ADSL on a phone line, filters are used to keep the phone and > > modems > > from interfering with each other. If that's not the problem, call Bell. > > Also, have you done any testing to ensure it's not something local? > > > > > > On 2020-10-08 10:38 p.m., Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: > >> Hi folks, > >> Hope you all are finding ways to feel creative. > >> Wondering if anyone might have a suggestion providing a solution. > >> Bell is my dsl provider, they also provide my land line and satellites > >> service as well, but that is not the issue really. > >> Because I still use analog phone service, its tied to some of my adaptive > >> technology, my dsl modem / rooter combination provided by Bell is a tw or > >> two wire model...or at least it was until this weekend. > >> Honestly I am not a major user of data, but I do often need to connect > >> more than one Ethernet setup, and require that someone using wireless be > >> able to do this with little fanfare. > >> Largely because none of bell's software works for my setup. > >> anyway, the problem is that bell has replaced my beloved modem with one > >> that causes my landline to click, as in makes a constant clicking noise > >> whenever the modem is connected, which is all the time. > >> What I am seeking is hopefully an older, but still to be found prospect, > >> with several Ethernet ports the ability to connect wirelessly, yet being > >> a tw model. > >> My old one had stream in the title if that rings a..bell. > >> I have literary had 5 technicians here since Saturday, with three of them > >> messing up my Internet on top of not addressing the issue. > >> Any bell modem ideas come to mind? > >> why on earth by the way, must I only use bell equipment in the first > >> place? > >> Kare the ranter. > >> > >> > >> --- > >> Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org > >> Unsubscribe from this mailing list > >> https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > --- > > Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org > > Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > -- Howard Gibson hgib...@eol.ca jhowardgib...@gmail.com http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] dsl modem ideas for bell?
Yes, you'd normally have one at each phone, unless one is wired in ahead of all the phones. That's common in business, but not sure about homes. On 2020-10-08 11:10 p.m., Karen Lewellen wrote: By filter, do you mean those little thingies one could put on the phone to prevent interference? When bell moved me here they claimed I did not need them, but I will dig one out to see if it helps. Bell techs have checked the lines to my apartment, the jack itself, and the cables being used. not sure what might be more local. The filter replacement is a fine idea. Kare On Thu, 8 Oct 2020, James Knott via talk wrote: The modem shouldn't be making noise. Is the filter on the phone(s)? When you have ADSL on a phone line, filters are used to keep the phone and modems from interfering with each other. If that's not the problem, call Bell. Also, have you done any testing to ensure it's not something local? On 2020-10-08 10:38 p.m., Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: Hi folks, Hope you all are finding ways to feel creative. Wondering if anyone might have a suggestion providing a solution. Bell is my dsl provider, they also provide my land line and satellites service as well, but that is not the issue really. Because I still use analog phone service, its tied to some of my adaptive technology, my dsl modem / rooter combination provided by Bell is a tw or two wire model...or at least it was until this weekend. Honestly I am not a major user of data, but I do often need to connect more than one Ethernet setup, and require that someone using wireless be able to do this with little fanfare. Largely because none of bell's software works for my setup. anyway, the problem is that bell has replaced my beloved modem with one that causes my landline to click, as in makes a constant clicking noise whenever the modem is connected, which is all the time. What I am seeking is hopefully an older, but still to be found prospect, with several Ethernet ports the ability to connect wirelessly, yet being a tw model. My old one had stream in the title if that rings a..bell. I have literary had 5 technicians here since Saturday, with three of them messing up my Internet on top of not addressing the issue. Any bell modem ideas come to mind? why on earth by the way, must I only use bell equipment in the first place? Kare the ranter. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] dsl modem ideas for bell?
By filter, do you mean those little thingies one could put on the phone to prevent interference? When bell moved me here they claimed I did not need them, but I will dig one out to see if it helps. Bell techs have checked the lines to my apartment, the jack itself, and the cables being used. not sure what might be more local. The filter replacement is a fine idea. Kare On Thu, 8 Oct 2020, James Knott via talk wrote: The modem shouldn't be making noise. Is the filter on the phone(s)? When you have ADSL on a phone line, filters are used to keep the phone and modems from interfering with each other. If that's not the problem, call Bell. Also, have you done any testing to ensure it's not something local? On 2020-10-08 10:38 p.m., Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: Hi folks, Hope you all are finding ways to feel creative. Wondering if anyone might have a suggestion providing a solution. Bell is my dsl provider, they also provide my land line and satellites service as well, but that is not the issue really. Because I still use analog phone service, its tied to some of my adaptive technology, my dsl modem / rooter combination provided by Bell is a tw or two wire model...or at least it was until this weekend. Honestly I am not a major user of data, but I do often need to connect more than one Ethernet setup, and require that someone using wireless be able to do this with little fanfare. Largely because none of bell's software works for my setup. anyway, the problem is that bell has replaced my beloved modem with one that causes my landline to click, as in makes a constant clicking noise whenever the modem is connected, which is all the time. What I am seeking is hopefully an older, but still to be found prospect, with several Ethernet ports the ability to connect wirelessly, yet being a tw model. My old one had stream in the title if that rings a..bell. I have literary had 5 technicians here since Saturday, with three of them messing up my Internet on top of not addressing the issue. Any bell modem ideas come to mind? why on earth by the way, must I only use bell equipment in the first place? Kare the ranter. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] dsl modem ideas for bell?
The modem shouldn't be making noise. Is the filter on the phone(s)? When you have ADSL on a phone line, filters are used to keep the phone and modems from interfering with each other. If that's not the problem, call Bell. Also, have you done any testing to ensure it's not something local? On 2020-10-08 10:38 p.m., Karen Lewellen via talk wrote: Hi folks, Hope you all are finding ways to feel creative. Wondering if anyone might have a suggestion providing a solution. Bell is my dsl provider, they also provide my land line and satellites service as well, but that is not the issue really. Because I still use analog phone service, its tied to some of my adaptive technology, my dsl modem / rooter combination provided by Bell is a tw or two wire model...or at least it was until this weekend. Honestly I am not a major user of data, but I do often need to connect more than one Ethernet setup, and require that someone using wireless be able to do this with little fanfare. Largely because none of bell's software works for my setup. anyway, the problem is that bell has replaced my beloved modem with one that causes my landline to click, as in makes a constant clicking noise whenever the modem is connected, which is all the time. What I am seeking is hopefully an older, but still to be found prospect, with several Ethernet ports the ability to connect wirelessly, yet being a tw model. My old one had stream in the title if that rings a..bell. I have literary had 5 technicians here since Saturday, with three of them messing up my Internet on top of not addressing the issue. Any bell modem ideas come to mind? why on earth by the way, must I only use bell equipment in the first place? Kare the ranter. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
[GTALUG] dsl modem ideas for bell?
Hi folks, Hope you all are finding ways to feel creative. Wondering if anyone might have a suggestion providing a solution. Bell is my dsl provider, they also provide my land line and satellites service as well, but that is not the issue really. Because I still use analog phone service, its tied to some of my adaptive technology, my dsl modem / rooter combination provided by Bell is a tw or two wire model...or at least it was until this weekend. Honestly I am not a major user of data, but I do often need to connect more than one Ethernet setup, and require that someone using wireless be able to do this with little fanfare. Largely because none of bell's software works for my setup. anyway, the problem is that bell has replaced my beloved modem with one that causes my landline to click, as in makes a constant clicking noise whenever the modem is connected, which is all the time. What I am seeking is hopefully an older, but still to be found prospect, with several Ethernet ports the ability to connect wirelessly, yet being a tw model. My old one had stream in the title if that rings a..bell. I have literary had 5 technicians here since Saturday, with three of them messing up my Internet on top of not addressing the issue. Any bell modem ideas come to mind? why on earth by the way, must I only use bell equipment in the first place? Kare the ranter. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Apache fails after upgrade
On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 01:48:19PM -0400, Jamon Camisso via talk wrote: > It sounds like OVH VMs use extlinux, so this article's instructions > should help: > > https://hubesco.com/blog/index.php?article47/update-linux-kernel-on-ovh-vps-ssd That's useful. Quite an annoying setup though. -- Len Sorensen --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Apache fails after upgrade
On 2020-10-08 12:46, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: >> Bingo! I am not sure why, but I'm definitely not getting the latest >> of the installed images as my default. It's a remote VM from ovh.ca, >> so I never see a GRUB screen. >> >> The uptime is less than two days, because this issue happened after a reboot. >> >> Interesting wrinkle, is that I don't seem to have grub or grub2 installed. > > Hmm, I wonder which bootload it is using then. I think grub2 depends > on grub-pc and grub-common. Could also use grub-efi, although I doubt > that. > > Could always install grub2 and see what it does. What do you have in /boot? > > 'find /boot' should give a list that hopefully isn't too long. It sounds like OVH VMs use extlinux, so this article's instructions should help: https://hubesco.com/blog/index.php?article47/update-linux-kernel-on-ovh-vps-ssd Cheers, Jamon --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Apache fails after upgrade
On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 at 11:38, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > OK, what do you get from this: > > dpkg -l |grep linux-image > > Maybe you have the new kernel installed, but the boot loader isn't > configured to use it. Bingo! I am not sure why, but I'm definitely not getting the latest of the installed images as my default. It's a remote VM from ovh.ca, so I never see a GRUB screen. The uptime is less than two days, because this issue happened after a reboot. Interesting wrinkle, is that I don't seem to have grub or grub2 installed. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Apache fails after upgrade
On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 11:24:08AM -0400, Anthony de Boer wrote: > What's the uptime like on that system? > > Going past two kilodays is possible; I've done it. But you end up with > a seriously ancient kernel underpinning the system. > > Rebooting once a year or so is probably reasonable. Good point. :) I recently noticed my desktop machine at work had an uptime of about 1 year. I decided it could be rebooted. Funnily enough, the windows laptop never seems to have that problem. -- Len Sorensen --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Apache fails after upgrade
On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 11:05:10AM -0400, William Witteman via talk wrote: > Good to know! > > I may have somehow got a bad repository? Here's why I think that: > sudo apt full-upgrade > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Calculating upgrade... Done > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > > ...and: > > linux-image-amd64 is already the newest version (5.8.10-1). > > What's weird is that the apt sources seems pretty standard: > sudo head /etc/apt/sources.list > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main > > deb http://security.debian.org/ testing-security main OK, what do you get from this: dpkg -l |grep linux-image Maybe you have the new kernel installed, but the boot loader isn't configured to use it. -- Len Sorensen --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Apache fails after upgrade
William Witteman via talk wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:34:12AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: > > > That kernel is your problem. That in no way has any business being > > > on debian testing. Current Debian stable uses 4.19. Previous stable > > > was 4.9. 3.16 is from at least 5 years ago and certainly is missing a > > > ton of features required by any system these days. > > ... > > linux-image-amd64 is already the newest version (5.8.10-1). What's the uptime like on that system? Going past two kilodays is possible; I've done it. But you end up with a seriously ancient kernel underpinning the system. Rebooting once a year or so is probably reasonable. -- Anthony de Boer --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Apache fails after upgrade
On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 at 10:43, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:34:12AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: > > That kernel is your problem. That in no way has any business being > > on debian testing. Current Debian stable uses 4.19. Previous stable > > was 4.9. 3.16 is from at least 5 years ago and certainly is missing a > > ton of features required by any system these days. Good to know! I may have somehow got a bad repository? Here's why I think that: sudo apt full-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. ...and: linux-image-amd64 is already the newest version (5.8.10-1). What's weird is that the apt sources seems pretty standard: sudo head /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main deb http://security.debian.org/ testing-security main --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Apache fails after upgrade
On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:34:12AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: > On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:23:53AM -0400, William Witteman wrote: > > Linux vps62474.vps.ovh.ca 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-2 > > (2017-12-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux > > ii libc6:amd642.31-3 amd64GNU C Library: Shared libraries > > ii apache22.4.46-1 amd64Apache HTTP Server > > > > Thanks for looking into this! > > That kernel is your problem. That in no way has any business being > on debian testing. Current Debian stable uses 4.19. Previous stable > was 4.9. 3.16 is from at least 5 years ago and certainly is missing a > ton of features required by any system these days. > > Is this some weird hosted container system? If so, that is too old to > be useful for anyone. Actually looking at the kernel version, that is a Debian style version, it is just totally obsolete. Make sure you have the package 'linux-image-amd64' installed, which will keep your kernel at the current debian version whenever you do a proper upgrade. Note a proper upgrade is apt-get dist-upgrade (not apt-get update) or apt full-upgrade (probably preferred these days over apt-get). upgrade only upgrades package versions, but won't install any new package names, while dist-upgrade/full-upgrade will allow new packages to be installed, and since a new kernel version has a new package name (since the version is in the name) you need the full upgrade in order to get a kernel upgrade. upgrade is only valid within a release to get point release updates and security fixes. To go to another release, or in fact anytime when running testing or unstable where things change a lot, the full upgrade is often required. -- Len Sorensen --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Apache fails after upgrade
On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:23:53AM -0400, William Witteman wrote: > Linux vps62474.vps.ovh.ca 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-2 > (2017-12-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux > ii libc6:amd642.31-3 amd64GNU C Library: Shared libraries > ii apache22.4.46-1 amd64Apache HTTP Server > > Thanks for looking into this! That kernel is your problem. That in no way has any business being on debian testing. Current Debian stable uses 4.19. Previous stable was 4.9. 3.16 is from at least 5 years ago and certainly is missing a ton of features required by any system these days. Is this some weird hosted container system? If so, that is too old to be useful for anyone. -- Len Sorensen --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Apache fails after upgrade
On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 at 09:57, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 09:43:37PM -0400, William Witteman via talk wrote: > > Yes, it's all from testing - I just apt-get installed it, and didn't > > do anything clever. > > So what kernel version do you have running (uname -a) > Which glibc version (dpkg -l libc6) > Which apache version (dpkg -l apache2) Linux vps62474.vps.ovh.ca 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-2 (2017-12-03) x86_64 GNU/Linux ii libc6:amd642.31-3 amd64GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii apache22.4.46-1 amd64Apache HTTP Server Thanks for looking into this! --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Apache fails after upgrade
On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 09:43:37PM -0400, William Witteman via talk wrote: > Yes, it's all from testing - I just apt-get installed it, and didn't > do anything clever. So what kernel version do you have running (uname -a) Which glibc version (dpkg -l libc6) Which apache version (dpkg -l apache2) -- Len Sorensen --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
