Re: [GTALUG] Looking for assistance with Firefox

2021-10-09 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk 
All my knowledge of FF is superstition, not science.  The
specifications, the manual, and the code base are too large to
understand.

If I type ^Q in FF, I am currently told that I have 53 windows with
386 tabs.  Then I tell it not to quit.  This shows bad discipline on
my part.

Go to URL "about:performance" for some hints about what different tabs
cost.  I'm not sure that it is accurate.

Superstition: when things get bad, quit and restart.
Model: garbage collection of something is imperfect.

Superstition: some pages are way more expensive than others -- a
simple page-count isn't a great measure

Superstition: javascript eats my CPU.  Sometimes it makes my coputer's
fans sping up.  Sometimes FF tels me FF is taking a lot of CPU..
Often it is on Globe and Mail pages.

| From: o1bigtenor via talk 

| > Are there hard limits that force Firefox to not renew pages as they were
| > (so more than xx number of pages)?

What do you mean by "renew pages"?  Is that "reload"? ^R

| > Are there hard limits that force Firefox to not renew 'a' page (I've had
| > this happen where one page doesn't renew but all the rest do)?

I'd take it as a sign to close tabs you don't need any longer, quit
FF, and then restart it.

| > If there are no 'hard' limits (programmed in per se) are there amounts of
| > pages or tabs or perhaps tabs/page or something else from this stew that
| > greater than xx tabs or yy pages or even a small number of pages having
| > more than xy tabs where such activity results in firefox not restarting as
| > it is listed to do so (restart the pages and tabs present upon shutdown) is
| > considered 'usual'?
| > I am trying to find parameters where I'm not faced with what I have right
| > now.

I think that it just runs out of RAM or processor cycles.

| > There were about 30 odd different pages and from 15 to who knows how many
| > tabs per page. Some tabs were held as I was working on business deals.
| > Re-establishing this amount of stuff is a royal pita. If I know that any
| > behavior over a level described as 'x' is dangerous then I can work hard to
| > stay under those levels.

Superstition: no.

| > Please advise

Cut down on tabs.  FF is a lot snappier, starting and running, when it
isn't dragging all those tabs around.

You could start up another browser (I use Chromium) if you hav
something quick to do and FF isn't yet started.
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[GTALUG] Looking for assistance with Firefox

2021-10-09 Thread o1bigtenor via talk 
On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 3:30 PM o1bigtenor via talk  wrote:

> Greetings
>
> Question re: Firefox behavior on a clean shutdown and reboot.
>
> Firefox is set to reload previous pages and tabs upon a restart.
> My system is LOADED with memory - - - - 64 GB in fact.
> Am also running multi-gpu and wanting to run with all 5 of my monitors but
> nouveau isn't up to running the 4k monitor yet! I use a large number of
> virtual desktops as well.
> As a result I get grumpy when programs don't allow me to work using my
> particular system.
> I will admit that I can get to over 25 pages open - - - I start a page for
> every topic I'm looking at.
> That's a page for every interest or every function (online
> tools/activities). There also tends to get to be a lot of tabs.
> I work had at keeping to under 40 to 50 tabs per age but there are usually
> a few pages where the number of tabs goes nuts.
> Because nouveau really doesn't like functioning with my setup (proprietary
> code is far worse!!! nvidia hates multi-gpu now although they didn't when I
> set up the system!) so system restarts are forced upon me far more often
> that I would like. Because of the forced system restarts I get to task
> firefox-esr in setting up the way it was before the system went down.
>
> Are there hard limits that force Firefox to not renew pages as they were
> (so more than xx number of pages)?
> Are there hard limits that force Firefox to not renew 'a' page (I've had
> this happen where one page doesn't renew but all the rest do)?
> If there are no 'hard' limits (programmed in per se) are there amounts of
> pages or tabs or perhaps tabs/page or something else from this stew that
> greater than xx tabs or yy pages or even a small number of pages having
> more than xy tabs where such activity results in firefox not restarting as
> it is listed to do so (restart the pages and tabs present upon shutdown) is
> considered 'usual'?
> I am trying to find parameters where I'm not faced with what I have right
> now.
> There were about 30 odd different pages and from 15 to who knows how many
> tabs per page. Some tabs were held as I was working on business deals.
> Re-establishing this amount of stuff is a royal pita. If I know that any
> behavior over a level described as 'x' is dangerous then I can work hard to
> stay under those levels.
>
> Please advise
>
(edited to add subject - - - argh!)
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2021-10-09 Thread o1bigtenor via talk 
Greetings

Question re: Firefox behavior on a clean shutdown and reboot.

Firefox is set to reload previous pages and tabs upon a restart.
My system is LOADED with memory - - - - 64 GB in fact.
Am also running multi-gpu and wanting to run with all 5 of my monitors but
nouveau isn't up to running the 4k monitor yet! I use a large number of
virtual desktops as well.
As a result I get grumpy when programs don't allow me to work using my
particular system.
I will admit that I can get to over 25 pages open - - - I start a page for
every topic I'm looking at.
That's a page for every interest or every function (online
tools/activities). There also tends to get to be a lot of tabs.
I work had at keeping to under 40 to 50 tabs per age but there are usually
a few pages where the number of tabs goes nuts.
Because nouveau really doesn't like functioning with my setup (proprietary
code is far worse!!! nvidia hates multi-gpu now although they didn't when I
set up the system!) so system restarts are forced upon me far more often
that I would like. Because of the forced system restarts I get to task
firefox-esr in setting up the way it was before the system went down.

Are there hard limits that force Firefox to not renew pages as they were
(so more than xx number of pages)?
Are there hard limits that force Firefox to not renew 'a' page (I've had
this happen where one page doesn't renew but all the rest do)?
If there are no 'hard' limits (programmed in per se) are there amounts of
pages or tabs or perhaps tabs/page or something else from this stew that
greater than xx tabs or yy pages or even a small number of pages having
more than xy tabs where such activity results in firefox not restarting as
it is listed to do so (restart the pages and tabs present upon shutdown) is
considered 'usual'?
I am trying to find parameters where I'm not faced with what I have right
now.
There were about 30 odd different pages and from 15 to who knows how many
tabs per page. Some tabs were held as I was working on business deals.
Re-establishing this amount of stuff is a royal pita. If I know that any
behavior over a level described as 'x' is dangerous then I can work hard to
stay under those levels.

Please advise
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Re: [GTALUG] Firefox 93 now supports PDF XFA forms

2021-10-09 Thread o1bigtenor via talk 
On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 2:43 PM Stewart C. Russell via talk 
wrote:

> On 2021-10-09 7:24 a.m., o1bigtenor wrote:
> >
> > Now - - - - how long until this hits firefox-esr? - - - - musing.
>
> Depends what ESR cycle you're on. Debian considers 78.14 their ESR
> release (at least in Buster, which I haven't upgraded from yet), while
> Mozilla offers 91.2 as ESR. So if we review release dates:
>
> 78.142020-07-ish
> 91.2 2021-08-10
> 93.0 2021-10-05
>
> So maybe in 15 months, at the outside?
>
>
> Thank mr Stewart

I was just musing and hadn't taken any time to check things.
Had some issues with FF on a clean shutdown and reboot so thought it might
be useful to at least check things.

Debian world numbers (search on debian + packages + firefox-esr)

78.15   2021.10.06 (for stable and old stable - - - - testing not so much!!)
91.2 2021.10.06 (for unstable and a slightly older version 91.1 for
experiemental)
no listing on 93.0  - - - yet (grin!)

confusing (IMO) but there it is.

Maybe it won't take 15 months - - - let's hope!

Regards
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Re: [GTALUG] Firefox 93 now supports PDF XFA forms

2021-10-09 Thread Stewart C. Russell via talk 
On 2021-10-09 7:24 a.m., o1bigtenor wrote:
> 
> Now - - - - how long until this hits firefox-esr? - - - - musing. 

Depends what ESR cycle you're on. Debian considers 78.14 their ESR
release (at least in Buster, which I haven't upgraded from yet), while
Mozilla offers 91.2 as ESR. So if we review release dates:

78.142020-07-ish
91.2 2021-08-10
93.0 2021-10-05

So maybe in 15 months, at the outside?

 Stewart
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Re: [GTALUG] MySQL v. MariaDB

2021-10-09 Thread Stewart C. Russell via talk 
On 2021-10-09 10:12 a.m., Slackrat via talk wrote:
> It looks like Slackware is swtching.

Debian went years ago. The only complaints are from people trying to
install from ancient tutorials who aren't able to find the mysql-* packages.

 Stewart

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Re: [GTALUG] MySQL v. MariaDB

2021-10-09 Thread Glen Strom via talk 
On Sat, 09 Oct 2021 08:12:50 -0600
Slackrat via talk  wrote:

> It looks like Slackware is swtching.
> 
> Any comments?i

MariaDB has been part of Slackware since 14.1.



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Re: [GTALUG] MySQL v. MariaDB

2021-10-09 Thread Kevin Cozens via talk 

On 2021-10-09 10:12 a.m., Slackrat via talk wrote:

It looks like Slackware is swtching.


CentOS and Linux Mint switched to MariaDB several years ago. I suspect this 
has already happened in other distros. I have not noticed any problems with 
the switch.


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[GTALUG] MySQL v. MariaDB

2021-10-09 Thread Slackrat via talk 
It looks like Slackware is swtching.

Any comments?i
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Re: [GTALUG] Firefox 93 now supports PDF XFA forms

2021-10-09 Thread Kevin Cozens via talk 

On 2021-10-09 7:24 a.m., o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
If I have questions regarding some problems with firefox - - - - would you, 
or anyone else out there in gtalug land, know of a way to achieve a 
'conversation' rather than a bug report.Â

Or is a bug report the only way of having such 'conversation'.Â


Have a look at the "Contact Us" page at mozilla.org which lists Facebook, 
Twitter, and Forums & email.


https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/contact/

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Re: [GTALUG] Firefox 93 now supports PDF XFA forms

2021-10-09 Thread o1bigtenor via talk 
On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 8:35 PM Stewart C. Russell via talk 
wrote:

> via  mastodon:
> Implementing form filling and accessibility in the Firefox PDF viewer -
> Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog —
> https://hacks.mozilla.org/2021/10/implementing-form-filling-and-accessibility-in-the-firefox-pdf-viewer/
>
> This appears to mean that Firefox on Linux can open and fill those pesky
> Canadian Government forms that were created with Adobe Livecycle. These
> used to appear as "*Please wait... If this message is not eventually
> replaced by the proper contents of the document, your PDF viewer may not be
> able to display this type of document*." but now open as proper forms.
>
> This must have been non-trivial to implement, because even Adobe couldn't
> create XFA forms outside the Windows-only Livecycle.
>
>
> Now - - - - how long until this hits firefox-esr? - - - - musing.

If I have questions regarding some problems with firefox - - - - would you,
or anyone else out there in gtalug land, know of a way to achieve a
'conversation' rather than a bug report.
Or is a bug report the only way of having such 'conversation'.

TIA
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