Re: [GTALUG] Sane Email System?
I have the Thunderbird setting for getting pop and imap mail from microsloth, imap below. That might help you re-point your existing system --dave On 3/4/22 11:17, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote: On 2022-03-03 20:18, Peter King via talk wrote: I've just been informed that "legacy authentication" is going to be disabled at the University of Toronto for my email account. Well, I suspected something like this was in the works when they adopted MS Outlook 365+ as the mail server, but it still isn't welcome. Up to now, I've been able to use mutt and getmail for all my needs; [snip] But it looks like that is all going away, since Microsoft only supports what they call "modern" email clients, and on Linux only Thunderbird. It would be simpler for you to update your scripts to use the new authentication method instead of making some radical change(s) to how you handle email. -- David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest dave.collier-br...@indexexchange.com | -- Mark Twain CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER : This telecommunication, including any and all attachments, contains confidential information intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any dissemination, distribution, copying or disclosure is strictly prohibited and is not a waiver of confidentiality. If you have received this telecommunication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return electronic mail and delete the message from your inbox and deleted items folders. This telecommunication does not constitute an express or implied agreement to conduct transactions by electronic means, nor does it constitute a contract offer, a contract amendment or an acceptance of a contract offer. Contract terms contained in this telecommunication are subject to legal review and the completion of formal documentation and are not binding until same is confirmed in writing and has been signed by an authorized signatory. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
[GTALUG] two or three tricks for installing Linux as a second OS on a Windows box
Most computers come with Microsoft Windows. If you insist on buying a computer without Windows, you have less choice and may have to pay more. Besides, once in a blue moon Windows is useful. To install Linux, you can either blow away Windows (easy!) or your can install Linux beside Windows. If you want to install Linux beside Windows, you usually have to get Windows to relinquish some disk space. (Alternatively you might be able to add another disk.) Windows has a way of reducing the size of a volume but it is unwilling to relocate a structure that is in the middle of the volume. So it is only willing to give up slightly less than half of the volume. I use gparted (ntfresize is underneath) to shrink a Windows NTFS volume, because I always want to shrink in to less than 50% of its original size. I do this from a live Linux flash drive. Here are the tricks that are not so obvious: - if Windows is using bitlocker, you need to turn that off in Windows. Otherwise gparted cannot do anything with the partition. Our newest computer came with bitlocker enabled (with no password). That's probably a good idea but not for us. After bitlocker is turned off, gparted can operate. Perhaps you can turn it on again after resizing. I don't know. (On Windows: Settings: Privacy & Security: Device Encryption) - By default, Windows assumes that it can leave the filesystem in an inconsistent state when it shuts down. It assumes that you'll boot Windows again when you power the system up. Apparently this speeds things up a little bit. This is very unhealthy if you are going to boot Linux next, especially if you are going to run gparted to muck with the NTFS filesystem. You can fix this by going to Windows' Control Panel (which is something different from Settings), Power Settings, and untick "turn on fast startup (recommended)". It is slightly tricky because you have to click some option to allow you to change the fast startup option. Sheesh. - (old advice; may be obsolete; I don't wish to find out the hard way that it is still needed.) After you have resized the NTFS partition, reboot to Windows. Don't do anything else with the disk in Linux first. Why: it used to be the case that gparted got something slightly wrong in the NTFS partition, something that a Windows boot fixed silently. After booting Windows, you can reboot to a Linux install medium safely. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Sane Email System?
On 2022-03-03 20:18, Peter King via talk wrote: I've just been informed that "legacy authentication" is going to be disabled at the University of Toronto for my email account. Well, I suspected something like this was in the works when they adopted MS Outlook 365+ as the mail server, but it still isn't welcome. Up to now, I've been able to use mutt and getmail for all my needs; [snip] But it looks like that is all going away, since Microsoft only supports what they call "modern" email clients, and on Linux only Thunderbird. It would be simpler for you to update your scripts to use the new authentication method instead of making some radical change(s) to how you handle email. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include | --Chris Hardwick --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Sane Email System?
On 2022-03-03 20:18, Peter King via talk wrote: Hello! I've just been informed that "legacy authentication" is going to be disabled at the University of Toronto for my email account. Well, I suspected something like this was in the works when they adopted MS Outlook 365+ as the mail server, but it still isn't welcome. Well, single password authentication is going away for good reason. Years ago (10+) I started forcing our email users to stop using POP and start using IMAP. Not because POP was bad but because the users did not know how to use it appropriately and they became a huge support headache. So I get pushing people away from POP to things like IMAP. [snip] (I am currently teaching a few courses at UCLA and was forced to use their webmail system, run by Google, and I have to say I despise it: graphical for no good reason, with limited search/sort capabilities, threading of old messages not clearly visible, and so on.) Any advice, suggestions, hints? War stories? Ways to thwart the powers that be? Thanks in advance. I also have a client who forces me to use gmail and I have enabled their imap service so that I can use thunderbird which is my mail reader of choice. Another tool I use with IMAP mail servers is imapsync. It allows you to copy content from one IMAP server to another. The man page also has a nice list of other IMAP backup/copy software. I use imapsync for archival of client email accounts and for moving email between old and new email accounts. It should be possible to sync your email using IMAP and then process it however you like. -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 al...@netvel.net || --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Sane Email System?
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:25 PM Howard Gibson via talk wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 20:18:14 -0500 > Peter King via talk wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > I've just been informed that "legacy authentication" is going to be > > disabled at the University of Toronto for my email account. Well, I > > suspected something like this was in the works when they adopted MS Outlook > > 365+ as the mail server, but it still isn't welcome. > > > > Up to now, I've been able to use mutt and getmail for all my needs; I run a > > daemon that picks up (and then deletes) email from a variety of servers > > (University of Toronto, GMail, and so on) onto a single computer. There > > I apply all the filters, spam protection, sorting into various inboxes, > > and so on. To read email I just ssh in from any computer anywhere and run > > mutt. All configurable with nice text-based scripts. The email files are > > automatically backed up and sychronized to other computers, too. When I'm > > out of town I have the mail be downloaded/deleteed manually, and I have > > full fallover capability, so if one machine is offline I can switch to > > another without any hiccups. > > -- > > Peter Kingpeter.k...@utoronto.ca > > Department of Philosophy > > Peter, > >I use the email client Sylpheed to access gmail among other things. I > use POP to download email. I don't like leaving personal information up on > the cloud. Sylpheed stores it email in MH format, just like mutt. > A long time mentor, no deceased, espoused Claws - - - which itself is a fork of Slypheed. IIRC Sylpheed is sorta 'long in the tooth' (OK it seems its sometimes called Slypheed-Claws - - - sorry). HTH --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] Sane Email System?
On 2022-03-03 8:18 p.m., Peter King via talk wrote: I've just been informed that "legacy authentication" is going to be disabled at the University of Toronto for my email account. Well, I suspected something like this was in the works when they adopted MS Outlook 365+ as the mail server, but it still isn't welcome. Actually, they're behind the times. Email, in general, is switching to OAuth2 for security reasons. If the server will work with Thunderbird, it will work with almost any IMAP (or POP3 if they're incompetent) client. Even if you go elsewhere, you'll likely run into the same thing. Both Google and Yahoo require OAuth2. Also, they'll probably require encrypted protocols, SMTPS and IMAPS. I have also used normal email apps with Exchange servers, as I do not like Outlook. It has some really DUMB "features". I haven't used Outlook 365. BTW, I also don't care for using a browser to read email. --- Post to this mailing list talk@gtalug.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
