Re: [GTALUG] "AI" on getting correct technical answers

[Kevin Cozens via talk]

On 2024-01-17 19:14, James Knott via talk wrote:

On 1/17/24 18:54, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:
I'm lucky(?) so far in that every time I ask about things like FibeTV I 
find out that my area of Markham doesn't have fibre available.


Maybe not to the home, but likely to the neighbourhood.


No, it is not available in my neighbourhood.

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Re: [GTALUG] "AI" on getting correct technical answers

[James Knott via talk]

On 1/17/24 18:54, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:
I'm lucky(?) so far in that every time I ask about things like FibeTV 
I find out that my area of Markham doesn't have fibre available.


Maybe not to the home, but likely to the neighbourhood.

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Re: [GTALUG] "AI" on getting correct technical answers

[Kevin Cozens via talk]

On 2024-01-16 17:53, David Collier-Brown via talk wrote:

Bell Canada no longer has to provide power to home phones.

They tried to sell us "fib", and said it was powered by them.


I'm lucky(?) so far in that every time I ask about things like FibeTV I find 
out that my area of Markham doesn't have fibre available.


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Re: [GTALUG] landline power [was Re: "AI" on getting correct technical answers]

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 09:23:18AM -0500, Kevin Cozens via talk wrote:
> The main phones in the house are cordless. The handset will still operate
> during a power failure but the base would not. For that reason my family
> also has one old style phone powered from the CO just in case we need to use
> a phone during a power failure.
> 
> It also means that none of our phones are of the type that can receive any
> text messages so all these sites that assume one has a cell phone that can
> receive messages as part of a 2FA process. I recently copied all of my
> source code repositories from github to gitlab due to the problems of 2FA.

My cordless phones have a charger for one of the handsets on the base,
and during a power failure that handset will power the base station.
The phone shows a message on it's screen to not remove it due to it
powering the base station when the power is out.  Pretty handy.  A dumb
old phone as a backup is still good to have around though.

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Re: [GTALUG] landline power [was Re: "AI" on getting correct technical answers]

[Alvin Starr via talk]

On 2024-01-16 23:20, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:00 PM James Knott via talk  
wrote:


On 1/16/24 07:16, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
> CO-powered phones are still available

Are they still CO powered?


My home internet is still metered and charged as a DSL line (by 
Teksavvy), though I know my neighbourhood has fibre. (I watched it 
being laid.)
The line coming in is an RJ-11 cable that split between my home's 
internal phone wiring and the DSL modem. No telco-supplied UPS on 
anything.


I don't know whether my dumb phone is powered by the CO or an UPS in a 
neighbourhood Bell box.
I just know it's powered from outside the house, functioning the same 
way as it has for decades, and it has done well during extended power 
outages.




A phone line with a dial-tone will connect back to a CO or a Remote CO.

DSL is some times served from the CO or Remote but more often in 
populated areas it is served from a little box close to the curb.


If its from the little box then what happens is that the line to your 
house from the CO is split and the DSL is added in at that point along 
with filters to allow the phone signal from the CO to keep going to your 
home.


As a general rule the CO will have batteries and a generator whereas the 
Remote COs will only have battery.


DSL has distance limitations so that once you start getting more than 
2km from the Bell end you start having links that are speed limited and 
at distances of 4km or so you are lucky to get 1Mb.


Also this is cable distance and not point to point distance so with all 
the right angle streets and infrastructure the distance can add up fast.


The distance reason is why Bell and the other Telcos rolled out fibre 
into neighborhoods and placed the little boxes all over the place.


When DSL first started you could easily be 5-6KM from a CO while still 
being in downtown Toronto.


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Re: [GTALUG] landline power [was Re: "AI" on getting correct technical answers]

[Kevin Cozens via talk]

On 2024-01-16 07:16, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:46 AM D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk > wrote:


(The old Bell system had large lead-acid batteries in the COs. 
Oldhandsets were actually powered by the CO.  Modern ones have their

ownpower for many functions.  So we used to expect the phone to
workduring "hydro" failures.)


I still do.

While I have some cheap Vtech phones with message recorder plugged into the 
landline, I still maintain one plain touchtone phone in the living room that 
has no external power and still runs fine.


The main phones in the house are cordless. The handset will still operate 
during a power failure but the base would not. For that reason my family 
also has one old style phone powered from the CO just in case we need to use 
a phone during a power failure.


It also means that none of our phones are of the type that can receive any 
text messages so all these sites that assume one has a cell phone that can 
receive messages as part of a 2FA process. I recently copied all of my 
source code repositories from github to gitlab due to the problems of 2FA.


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Re: [GTALUG] "AI" on getting correct technical answers

[o1bigtenor via talk]

On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 4:23 PM Kevin Cozens via talk  wrote:
>
> On 2024-01-15 18:15, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
> > In rural Canada (more accurately in rural Manitoba) - - - that this is
> > surprising
> > is actually quite astounding to me. Service is this bad in significant
> > amounts of
> > rural Canada. So bad in fact that emergency responders (flooding/forest 
> > fires)
> > have refused to assist in certain areas. "The safety of their personnel 
> > would be
> > compromised was the response." Not much concern for those living there.
> That seems ridiculous. First responders should not be relying on use of a
> cell phone. They always(?) have radios. If the problem is that bad they
> should be using sat phones instead of regular cell phones.
>
>
If I can find the specific groups that were involved at that time - -
- - are you willing
to inform them of that?

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