Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[Evan Leibovitch via talk]

Congrats!

On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 12:16 AM William Park via talk 
wrote:

> Solved!  I bought $56 "Litheli" cordless impact wrench from Walmart.
> It's slightly lower torque than what's sold at Amazon, but can't
> complaint about the price, though.  I think, it was caused by surface
> rust between the bolt and wheel rim, and not on the threads.  So, impact
> helped to loosen it.
>
> On 2023-11-03 03:07, William Park via talk wrote:
> > Hi (another very off topic),
> >
> > Wheel bolts on my VW are seized pretty hard.  Standing on 24in breaker
> > bar doesn't help, and that's 300ft-lb torque.  So, I'm thinking about
> > getting an impact wrench.  Those with greater than 300ft-lb are very
> > expensive.  I found one with 250ft-lb spec at my price range.
> >
> > Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact torque?
> >   In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb bolt?
> >
> > Browsing YouTube, I learned that torque specs are always misleading and
> > inflated.  This means, I have to find 600ft-lb or greater, and that's
> > serious money.
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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[William Park via talk]

Solved!  I bought $56 "Litheli" cordless impact wrench from Walmart. 
It's slightly lower torque than what's sold at Amazon, but can't 
complaint about the price, though.  I think, it was caused by surface 
rust between the bolt and wheel rim, and not on the threads.  So, impact 
helped to loosen it.


On 2023-11-03 03:07, William Park via talk wrote:

Hi (another very off topic),

Wheel bolts on my VW are seized pretty hard.  Standing on 24in breaker 
bar doesn't help, and that's 300ft-lb torque.  So, I'm thinking about 
getting an impact wrench.  Those with greater than 300ft-lb are very 
expensive.  I found one with 250ft-lb spec at my price range.


Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact torque? 
  In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb bolt?


Browsing YouTube, I learned that torque specs are always misleading and 
inflated.  This means, I have to find 600ft-lb or greater, and that's 
serious money.

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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[James Knott via talk]

On 2023-11-03 14:18, Don Tai via talk wrote:
After a winter my front tire lug nuts would not budge. My mechanic 
used his air ratchet to break them free, then told me to use just a 
little antiseize on the threads. I haven't had any issues with winter 
corrosion after that, For every Youtube video stating don't use 
antiseize there are others that recommend it.


Many years ago, I actually broke a stud on my mother's car, when trying 
to remove the nut.

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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[Don Tai via talk]

After a winter my front tire lug nuts would not budge. My mechanic used his
air ratchet to break them free, then told me to use just a little
antiseize on the threads. I haven't had any issues with winter corrosion
after that, For every Youtube video stating don't use antiseize there are
others that recommend it.

On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 11:03, William Park  wrote:

> This is what happened after getting 4 new brakes and 2 new calipers at
> the dealership.  They over-tightened it!
>
>  - I tried 12in pipe (it's all I have).  It slips, and I don't want
> to step on that.  Maybe longer pipe will work.
>
>  - I've been told (by YouTube, Google) that you shouldn't apply any
> oil or anti-seize grease.
>
>  - VW uses 17mm bolt, instead of lug nut.  So, cutting them off is
> not an option. :-)
>
>
> 1. I'll try to find 2-4ft pipe at reasonable price.
>
> 2. If not, Canadian Tire has sale on "air wrench"
>  -
>
> https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/maximum-impact-wrench-with-built-in-regulator-3-8-in-0581968p.0581968.html
> Web says "3/8", manual says "1/2", and I'll see what the box says.
>
> Thanks guys.  I wish I paid more attention to "shop class" in high
> school.  "If I knew then, what I know now...".
>
>
> On 2023-11-03 09:32, Don Tai wrote:
> > Can you drive your car to a mechanic? It might be cheaper to have them
> > loosen it with their air powered impact wrench. Other options I've used
> > 1. penetrating oil (as mentioned)
> > 2. breaker bar (long pipe)
> > 3. propane torch (also mentioned)
> >
> > Once loosened then add some anti-seize compound so that this does not
> > happen again in the future.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 03:07, William Park via talk  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi (another very off topic),
> >
> > Wheel bolts on my VW are seized pretty hard.  Standing on 24in
> breaker
> > bar doesn't help, and that's 300ft-lb torque.  So, I'm thinking about
> > getting an impact wrench.  Those with greater than 300ft-lb are very
> > expensive.  I found one with 250ft-lb spec at my price range.
> >
> > Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact
> > torque?
> >In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb bolt?
> >
> > Browsing YouTube, I learned that torque specs are always misleading
> and
> > inflated.  This means, I have to find 600ft-lb or greater, and that's
> > serious money.
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> >
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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[Dave Collier-Brown via talk]

OH!

Go back to the dealership with your wheel wrench, and tell them they 
overtightened your wheels, so you can't fix a flat when you have one. Get them 
to break the nuts loose, and you tighten them.

And if they say no, take their names and complain to their manager.

--dave



On 11/3/23 11:02, William Park via talk wrote:
This is what happened after getting 4 new brakes and 2 new calipers at the 
dealership.  They over-tightened it!

   - I tried 12in pipe (it's all I have).  It slips, and I don't want to step 
on that.  Maybe longer pipe will work.

   - I've been told (by YouTube, Google) that you shouldn't apply any oil or 
anti-seize grease.

   - VW uses 17mm bolt, instead of lug nut.  So, cutting them off is not an 
option. :-)


1. I'll try to find 2-4ft pipe at reasonable price.

2. If not, Canadian Tire has sale on "air wrench"
   - 
https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/maximum-impact-wrench-with-built-in-regulator-3-8-in-0581968p.0581968.html
Web says "3/8", manual says "1/2", and I'll see what the box says.

Thanks guys.  I wish I paid more attention to "shop class" in high school.  "If I 
knew then, what I know now...".


On 2023-11-03 09:32, Don Tai wrote:
Can you drive your car to a mechanic? It might be cheaper to have them loosen 
it with their air powered impact wrench. Other options I've used
1. penetrating oil (as mentioned)
2. breaker bar (long pipe)
3. propane torch (also mentioned)

Once loosened then add some anti-seize compound so that this does not happen 
again in the future.


On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 03:07, William Park via talk mailto:talk@gtalug.org> 
> wrote:

   Hi (another very off topic),

   Wheel bolts on my VW are seized pretty hard.  Standing on 24in breaker
   bar doesn't help, and that's 300ft-lb torque.  So, I'm thinking about
   getting an impact wrench.  Those with greater than 300ft-lb are very
   expensive.  I found one with 250ft-lb spec at my price range.

   Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact
   torque?
  In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb bolt?

   Browsing YouTube, I learned that torque specs are always misleading and
   inflated.  This means, I have to find 600ft-lb or greater, and that's
   serious money.
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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[Scott Allen via talk]

On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 09:32, Don Tai via talk  wrote:
> Once loosened then add some anti-seize compound so that this does not happen 
> again in the future.

Anti-seize compound will reduce the friction between the threads, so
if you use the recommended torque for the nuts you will end up over
torquing them. It's difficult to know what the proper torque value to
use if anti-seize compound or other corrosion inhibitors are used.

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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[o1bigtenor via talk]

On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 10:03 AM William Park via talk  wrote:
>
> This is what happened after getting 4 new brakes and 2 new calipers at
> the dealership.  They over-tightened it!

This would get me to take it back to said dealer with the instructions
to 'fix it' .

If they refuse there would be some repercussions!
I would escalate the problem through VW channels if necessary.

>
>  - I tried 12in pipe (it's all I have).  It slips, and I don't want
> to step on that.  Maybe longer pipe will work.

I was afraid you would not have something a couple feet long - - argh
Have some specific tools (read pipes/bits of tubing) that are stored as
tools for just this kind of use.

This kind of probelm should be the responsibility of the idiot outfit
that created
the problem not yours.
A good 1/2" air impact fed using a 5/16" id hose that not more than 15' from
the compressor should develop in the range of 450 to 500 + ft#s of
removal torque.
There are models (or at least used to be) that would develop up to 650 ftlbs.
(then the 3/4" was good for circa 800 ft lbs and the 1" (good one) for
up to 100 ftlbs.
That's for big truck and heavy equipment stuff - - - even then sometimes a good
snip with a 12# hammer would crack something that the impact couldn't - - but
those are some extreme measures!)

You could use a 6 or 8# hammer on your bar - - - warning bars can be bent.

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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[William Park via talk]

This is what happened after getting 4 new brakes and 2 new calipers at 
the dealership.  They over-tightened it!


- I tried 12in pipe (it's all I have).  It slips, and I don't want 
to step on that.  Maybe longer pipe will work.


- I've been told (by YouTube, Google) that you shouldn't apply any 
oil or anti-seize grease.


- VW uses 17mm bolt, instead of lug nut.  So, cutting them off is 
not an option. :-)



1. I'll try to find 2-4ft pipe at reasonable price.

2. If not, Canadian Tire has sale on "air wrench"
- 
https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/maximum-impact-wrench-with-built-in-regulator-3-8-in-0581968p.0581968.html

Web says "3/8", manual says "1/2", and I'll see what the box says.

Thanks guys.  I wish I paid more attention to "shop class" in high 
school.  "If I knew then, what I know now...".



On 2023-11-03 09:32, Don Tai wrote:
Can you drive your car to a mechanic? It might be cheaper to have them 
loosen it with their air powered impact wrench. Other options I've used

1. penetrating oil (as mentioned)
2. breaker bar (long pipe)
3. propane torch (also mentioned)

Once loosened then add some anti-seize compound so that this does not 
happen again in the future.



On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 03:07, William Park via talk > wrote:


Hi (another very off topic),

Wheel bolts on my VW are seized pretty hard.  Standing on 24in breaker
bar doesn't help, and that's 300ft-lb torque.  So, I'm thinking about
getting an impact wrench.  Those with greater than 300ft-lb are very
expensive.  I found one with 250ft-lb spec at my price range.

Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact
torque?
   In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb bolt?

Browsing YouTube, I learned that torque specs are always misleading and
inflated.  This means, I have to find 600ft-lb or greater, and that's
serious money.
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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[Don Tai via talk]

Can you drive your car to a mechanic? It might be cheaper to have them
loosen it with their air powered impact wrench. Other options I've used
1. penetrating oil (as mentioned)
2. breaker bar (long pipe)
3. propane torch (also mentioned)

Once loosened then add some anti-seize compound so that this does not
happen again in the future.


On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 at 03:07, William Park via talk  wrote:

> Hi (another very off topic),
>
> Wheel bolts on my VW are seized pretty hard.  Standing on 24in breaker
> bar doesn't help, and that's 300ft-lb torque.  So, I'm thinking about
> getting an impact wrench.  Those with greater than 300ft-lb are very
> expensive.  I found one with 250ft-lb spec at my price range.
>
> Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact torque?
>   In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb bolt?
>
> Browsing YouTube, I learned that torque specs are always misleading and
> inflated.  This means, I have to find 600ft-lb or greater, and that's
> serious money.
> ---
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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[Alvin Starr via talk]

On 2023-11-03 07:03, David Collier-Brown via talk wrote:


Yes: the acceleration rate of a torque wrench is almost zero, while 
that of an air wrench is substantial, and it's applied the same way a 
hammer-drill is, in bursts until the nut starts to turn.


In a previous life as a motorcycle- and occasionally car-mechanic, the 
order was


  * start with a long wrench,
  * add penetrating oil overnight and repeat,
  * curse loudly and add heating nuts with a torch and cooling with
water.
  * Failing that, buy some new nuts and cut the old ones off with the
cutting torch and a cold-chisel.


Before you get to the cutting torch you could try a nut 
cracker/burster/splitter.


https://www.amazon.ca/OURANTOOLS-Splitter-Separator-Removing-Damaged/dp/B095VXSP9S/ref=sxin_15_sbv_search_btf?content-id=amzn1.sym.c49f1e2d-cd8c-49f3-bcdf-e906d6356864%3Aamzn1.sym.c49f1e2d-cd8c-49f3-bcdf-e906d6356864_ct_cx=Metal%2BNut%2BSplitter=Metal%2BNut%2BSplitter_rd_i=B095VXSP9S=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D=1-1-5190daf0-67e3-427c-bea6-c72c1df98776=1

I have used them in the past on stripped nuts.

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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[Alvin Starr via talk]

I would second Evans suggestion before running out and buying an impact 
wrench.

If you can afford to give it a day or so to penetrate that would help.

A trick my father use to use was to slide a metal pipe over the breaker 
bar to extend the length and hence the force.


I have a small ryobi battery powered impact tool that is useful but it 
absolutely not do what your looking for but it is an amazingly handy 
tool so there is value in impact tools.




On 2023-11-03 03:21, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
Probably obvious question: Have you applied a good penetrating oil 
(like Liquid Wrench)?

That has saved my behind with rusted bolts on more than one occasion.

On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 3:08 AM William Park via talk  
wrote:


Hi (another very off topic),

Wheel bolts on my VW are seized pretty hard.  Standing on 24in
breaker
bar doesn't help, and that's 300ft-lb torque.  So, I'm thinking about
getting an impact wrench.  Those with greater than 300ft-lb are very
expensive.  I found one with 250ft-lb spec at my price range.

Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact
torque?
  In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb bolt?

Browsing YouTube, I learned that torque specs are always
misleading and
inflated.  This means, I have to find 600ft-lb or greater, and that's
serious money.
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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[Howard Gibson via talk]

William,

Mechanical designer here.  I specify screw torques.  

Torque is a convenient but not very accurate way to control screw tension.  
Most of your torque is friction, rather than screw tension. 

You can try whacking the end of your wrench with a hammer.  Maybe this is a 
good time to see a mechanic.  This is what they do for a living.  

On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 03:07:29 -0400
William Park via talk  wrote:

> Hi (another very off topic),
> 
> Wheel bolts on my VW are seized pretty hard.  Standing on 24in breaker 
> bar doesn't help, and that's 300ft-lb torque.  So, I'm thinking about 
> getting an impact wrench.  Those with greater than 300ft-lb are very 
> expensive.  I found one with 250ft-lb spec at my price range.
> 
> Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact torque? 
>   In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb bolt?
> 
> Browsing YouTube, I learned that torque specs are always misleading and 
> inflated.  This means, I have to find 600ft-lb or greater, and that's 
> serious money.
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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[Steve Petrie via talk]

William:

Have you tried dousing the crevice at the nut / threaded stud interface, 
with penetrating oil ??


E.g. brand name "liquid wrench".

Repeat application a few times and allow a couple of hours for the 
penetrating oil to seep into the crevice.


HTH.

Steve Petrie

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DATE:
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FROM:
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TO:
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Hi (another very off topic),

Wheel bolts on my VW are seized pretty hard.  Standing on 24in breaker 
bar doesn't help, and that's 300ft-lb torque.  So, I'm thinking about 
getting an impact wrench.  Those with greater than 300ft-lb are very 
expensive.  I found one with 250ft-lb spec at my price range.


Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact torque? 
 In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb bolt?


Browsing YouTube, I learned that torque specs are always misleading and 
inflated.  This means, I have to find 600ft-lb or greater, and that's 
serious money.

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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[David Collier-Brown via talk]

Yes: the acceleration rate of a torque wrench is almost zero, while that 
of an air wrench is substantial, and it's applied the same way a 
hammer-drill is, in bursts until the nut starts to turn.


In a previous life as a motorcycle- and occasionally car-mechanic, the 
order was


 * start with a long wrench,
 * add penetrating oil overnight and repeat,
 * curse loudly and add heating nuts with a torch and cooling with water.
 * Failing that, buy some new nuts and cut the old ones off with the
   cutting torch and a cold-chisel.

We never got to air wrenches.

--dave

On 11/3/23 03:07, William Park via talk wrote:

Hi (another very off topic),

Wheel bolts on my VW are seized pretty hard.  Standing on 24in breaker 
bar doesn't help, and that's 300ft-lb torque.  So, I'm thinking about 
getting an impact wrench.  Those with greater than 300ft-lb are very 
expensive.  I found one with 250ft-lb spec at my price range.


Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact 
torque?  In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb 
bolt?


Browsing YouTube, I learned that torque specs are always misleading 
and inflated.  This means, I have to find 600ft-lb or greater, and 
that's serious money.

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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[o1bigtenor via talk]

On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 2:07 AM William Park via talk  wrote:
>
> Hi (another very off topic),
>
> Wheel bolts on my VW are seized pretty hard.  Standing on 24in breaker
> bar doesn't help, and that's 300ft-lb torque.  So, I'm thinking about
> getting an impact wrench.  Those with greater than 300ft-lb are very
> expensive.  I found one with 250ft-lb spec at my price range.
>
> Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact torque?
>   In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb bolt?
>
> Browsing YouTube, I learned that torque specs are always misleading and
> inflated.  This means, I have to find 600ft-lb or greater, and that's
> serious money.
> ---

An easier and far cheaper option - - - - find yourself a 2' long chunk of
pipe or tubing that fits over the breaker bar. (Need to overlap at
least a couple if
not 3 inches.) Place bar combination so it is slightly above horizontal.
STOMP on the end of the sucker (your heel is better than at the instep
especially in softer shoes - - - unless you're wearing decent 'work' boots).
Its the impact that does the trick - - - far more than the weight.
If you're thinking this might be problematic then put the combination (of
bar and pipe) so the motion is upwards and lift up - - - using your legs

(I've bent pipes and bars doing this but most definitely NOT on something
as small as a VW. If you want a word for the pipe (extender) I was taught
to call it a snipe. Have used such to exert as much as 2500 ft#s - - - that was
using some more than a short snipe though!)

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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[Ron / BCLUG via talk]

William Park via talk wrote on 2023-11-03 00:07:

Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact torque? 


I think the impacting has an effect, else the tools wouldn't have it (it 
requires clutches and other extras that must be there for a reason).




  In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb bolt?


I'm thinking a resounding yes.


I've got one of these:

> 
https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/maximum-8-5a-nut-busting-corded-single-speed-impact-wrench-with-led-work-light-1-2-in-0542099p.0542099.html?rq=impact+wrench+maximum#srp



My only gripe is that it is single-speed, not variable speed.

But it's handled anything I've thrown at it.

Lists for $150, often on sale for $99.

Might want an impact rated socket to match the lug nut size.


Also, like Evan said, penetrating oil (can use ATF fluid instead).


Also, application of heat to lug nuts can expand them enough to help - 
got a torch?




Good luck.

Ron

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Re: [GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[Evan Leibovitch via talk]

Probably obvious question: Have you applied a good penetrating oil (like
Liquid Wrench)?
That has saved my behind with rusted bolts on more than one occasion.

On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 3:08 AM William Park via talk 
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> Hi (another very off topic),
>
> Wheel bolts on my VW are seized pretty hard.  Standing on 24in breaker
> bar doesn't help, and that's 300ft-lb torque.  So, I'm thinking about
> getting an impact wrench.  Those with greater than 300ft-lb are very
> expensive.  I found one with 250ft-lb spec at my price range.
>
> Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact torque?
>   In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb bolt?
>
> Browsing YouTube, I learned that torque specs are always misleading and
> inflated.  This means, I have to find 600ft-lb or greater, and that's
> serious money.
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[GTALUG] (very off topic) torque spec of impact wrench

[William Park via talk]

Hi (another very off topic),

Wheel bolts on my VW are seized pretty hard.  Standing on 24in breaker 
bar doesn't help, and that's 300ft-lb torque.  So, I'm thinking about 
getting an impact wrench.  Those with greater than 300ft-lb are very 
expensive.  I found one with 250ft-lb spec at my price range.


Question is, is there difference between static torque vs impact torque? 
 In other words, will 250ft-lb impact wrench loosen 300ft-lb bolt?


Browsing YouTube, I learned that torque specs are always misleading and 
inflated.  This means, I have to find 600ft-lb or greater, and that's 
serious money.

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