Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Bob Jonkman via talk]

I've taken apart two laptop keyboards in an effort to clean them. Both 
times I ended up buying a replacement keyboard. Once you've got a laptop 
keyboard pried apart the traces, especially the ones where the rubber 
key bumps go, are exposed and extremely fragile. I only took mine apart 
because the keyboards were already non-functional anyway. Got 
replacements at Computer Recycling (Kitchener) for about $5.00 each. You 
may want to try HacklabTO or FreeGeek Toronto for lovingly used parts...


--Bob.


On 2019-01-10 2:14 p.m., Tim Tisdall via talk wrote:

I removed the battery again and took a closer look at the keyboard.
It's definitely melted plastic rivets holding it to a plastic framing
that everything else screws into.  I really don't want to start
cutting into plastic.  (here's a video of someone cutting and
glue-gunning in a replacement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUnwW1mQ6aI)  It seems like a few
places sell the casing with the keyboard
(https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-keyboard-for-Asus-ZenBook-UX305CA-UX305FA-Dark-Grey-Palmrest-Topcase/152878737232)
so I'll look around and see who best to order that from.  There's so
many models and sub-models that I need to be very careful with which
one I order.

I tried calling ASUS to see how much they'd charge for a repair and
they want a whopping $540 to just replace the keyboard.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Tim Tisdall via talk]

In case anyone is interested...  I managed to find a seller on eBay
who sold the case with the keyboard for about $50.  So, whenever it
comes, I'll move all the components over to the new case and then
hopefully have a fully working unit again.  Thanks again to everyone
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 02:14:19PM -0500, Tim Tisdall via talk wrote:
> I removed the battery again and took a closer look at the keyboard.
> It's definitely melted plastic rivets holding it to a plastic framing
> that everything else screws into.  I really don't want to start
> cutting into plastic.  (here's a video of someone cutting and
> glue-gunning in a replacement:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUnwW1mQ6aI)  It seems like a few
> places sell the casing with the keyboard
> (https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-keyboard-for-Asus-ZenBook-UX305CA-UX305FA-Dark-Grey-Palmrest-Topcase/152878737232)
> so I'll look around and see who best to order that from.  There's so
> many models and sub-models that I need to be very careful with which
> one I order.
> 
> I tried calling ASUS to see how much they'd charge for a repair and
> they want a whopping $540 to just replace the keyboard.

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Asus+Zenbook+UX303L+Keyboard+Replacement/53551
shows how to replace the keyboard on the 303 which might be similar to
the 305.  I must admit that looks like a terrible job.

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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Don Tai via talk]

OMG This is a new low for non-serviceable tech. I hope I never have to use
a knife and glue gun to repair a keyboard.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:14, Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:

> I removed the battery again and took a closer look at the keyboard.
> It's definitely melted plastic rivets holding it to a plastic framing
> that everything else screws into.  I really don't want to start
> cutting into plastic.  (here's a video of someone cutting and
> glue-gunning in a replacement:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUnwW1mQ6aI)  It seems like a few
> places sell the casing with the keyboard
> (
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-keyboard-for-Asus-ZenBook-UX305CA-UX305FA-Dark-Grey-Palmrest-Topcase/152878737232
> )
> so I'll look around and see who best to order that from.  There's so
> many models and sub-models that I need to be very careful with which
> one I order.
>
> I tried calling ASUS to see how much they'd charge for a repair and
> they want a whopping $540 to just replace the keyboard.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Tim Tisdall via talk]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 13:22, Don Tai  wrote:
> Interesting way to fix keyboard traces. I've never done that but will look 
> next time a keyboard goes bad. With unsalvageable keyboards I cut up the 
> transparent sheets and use them as small notebook covers. They have a cool 
> high tech look. With the spare keys you can play fun spelling games with kids.

Here's the website (well, archived copy of the site) that gave repair
instructions when I fixed that keyboard long long ago:
https://web.archive.org/web/20070205062418/http://www.technology.niagarac.on.ca/people/bgracey/prokeyboardrepair.html
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Tim Tisdall via talk]

I removed the battery again and took a closer look at the keyboard.
It's definitely melted plastic rivets holding it to a plastic framing
that everything else screws into.  I really don't want to start
cutting into plastic.  (here's a video of someone cutting and
glue-gunning in a replacement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUnwW1mQ6aI)  It seems like a few
places sell the casing with the keyboard
(https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-keyboard-for-Asus-ZenBook-UX305CA-UX305FA-Dark-Grey-Palmrest-Topcase/152878737232)
so I'll look around and see who best to order that from.  There's so
many models and sub-models that I need to be very careful with which
one I order.

I tried calling ASUS to see how much they'd charge for a repair and
they want a whopping $540 to just replace the keyboard.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Don Tai via talk]

Interesting way to fix keyboard traces. I've never done that but will look
next time a keyboard goes bad. With unsalvageable keyboards I cut up the
transparent sheets and use them as small notebook covers. They have a cool
high tech look. With the spare keys you can play fun spelling games with
kids.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 11:56, Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 11:40, Alvin Starr via talk 
> wrote:
> > I have an asus of a similar design and the keys actually pop off.
> >
> > They were a pain to get back together but you may be able to pry off the
> > power button and clean the contact.
> >
> > This may be of  some general help.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txx05fh41z4
>
> I actually did pop off the key yesterday and spent about an hour to
> get it back on without breaking it.  I didn't see anything that needed
> cleaning and the rubber "cup" that acts as a spring seemed to be glued
> and not removable.  That video seemed to show a better way of getting
> the key caps back on, though, so I'll definitely refer to it next time
> a key cap pops off (I have one slightly broken key because I wasn't
> careful enough in the past).  Thanks!
>
> I've fixed a keyboard in the past where the wiring is basically a
> traces on multiple plastic sheets.  A keypress in registered when the
> traces on the two different sheets make contact through holes in
> another sheet where the buttons are.  With the keyboard I fixed, I was
> able to separate the sheets and fix the trace with some conducting
> paint (you can buy it at an auto repair shop to replace the heating
> lines on the back window of a car).  However, almost every newer
> keyboard glues those sheets together and makes it impossible to clean
> or fix those traces.  The one I have seems to have a metal backing and
> melted plastic rivets holding it together.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:17:09AM -0500, Tim Tisdall via talk wrote:
> So!  I managed to get the computer on and confirm that the issue
> appears to be the power button.  What I did was unplug the battery and
> the BIOS battery and then when I plugged in the power the default is
> for it to immediately turn on.  After I got it running I was able to
> confirm that the power button doesn't register a key press but EVERY
> OTHER BUTTON DOES WORK.  If any other key broke then at least I could
> use an external keyboard until I was able to get replacement parts.
> 
> Thanks to everyone for suggestions!  I had assumed that the keyboard
> was fused to the casing as I couldn't find any screws (hopefully it's
> obvious how to remove it after removing the motherboard, etc).  The
> individual keys poke through the metal casing and requires removing
> the motherboard and everything else first to access.
> 
> To reply to some emails...
> 
> The drive is a Micron M600 and it says on it m.2 SATA.  I didn't even
> know that was a thing until opening the laptop.  The drive booted fine
> so I'm not going to bother buying an enclosure for it, but they have
> ones at Canada Computers for around $20.
> 
> Hugh, I really appreciate the offer to help backup the drive!  Thank you!
> 
> Lennart, thanks for linking to that keyboard replacement otherwise I
> probably would have continued to erroneously believe that the keyboard
> wasn't replaceable without replacing the casing!  A lot of laptops
> still allow keyboard replacement from the front through tabs, but some
> other ones (like mine) don't have that convenience.  It seems to be a
> design decision.

Business oriented machines tend to be faster and simpler to swap parts
on than consumer oriented models.  Business tends to value 'quick to fix'
over 'slightly smaller and lighter and cheaper'.  After all if your IT
guy can swap a broken keyboard in 5 minutes, life is good and you can
get back to work.

> Stewart, I'll be sure to do what you suggested if I ever spill on it
> again.  At the time I didn't have the screwdrivers so I wouldn't have
> been able to remove the battery, but at least I could have put it
> upside-down or on it's side to prevent gravity from seeping in any
> moisture.  I also bought a can of compressed air that I can use next
> time to help blow some of the liquid out.

I have never tested the thinkpad's liquid draining feature on the
keyboard, but I guess it would have been useful in this case. :)

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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 10:40:08PM -0500, D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk wrote:
> m.2 sockets really common now.
> 
> Older ones are m.2 SATA.  Your notebook is old enough that I'm 90%
> sure it would be m.2 SATA.
> 
> Newer computers have m.2 NVMe sockets.  Those will accept m.2 SATA
> devices anyway.
> 
> There's a third class that I don't understand: M.2 AHCI.

I think that would be PCIe attached like NVMe but with an integrated AHCI
PCIe interface so older OSs can talk to it without having NVMe support.
Of course that kills the performance benefits of NVMe, but does add
compatibility.

> Many modern desktop motherboards have m.2 slots.  Starting, I think, with 
> the Intel 7th gen (7xxx) or perhaps 8th gen (8xxx).  It's not that they 
> couldn't do it sooner but it got compelling when NVMe became available: a 
> lot faster than SATA.  Just for fun, here's the cheapest one I've found on 
> newegg.ca (not a recommendation): 
> 
> 
> Inconveniently for you, most notebooks with m.2 sockets don't have
> another disk interface.  And they are awkward to open.
> 
> Adapter cards for a desktop are about $25 and up:
> 
> 
> Summary: m.2 sockets are common.
> 
> Recommendation: remove the drive from your computer.  You don't want
> any of your experiments to damage your data.

Yes accessing an M.2 drive isn't that hard these days.

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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Tim Tisdall via talk]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 11:40, Alvin Starr via talk  wrote:
> I have an asus of a similar design and the keys actually pop off.
>
> They were a pain to get back together but you may be able to pry off the
> power button and clean the contact.
>
> This may be of  some general help.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txx05fh41z4

I actually did pop off the key yesterday and spent about an hour to
get it back on without breaking it.  I didn't see anything that needed
cleaning and the rubber "cup" that acts as a spring seemed to be glued
and not removable.  That video seemed to show a better way of getting
the key caps back on, though, so I'll definitely refer to it next time
a key cap pops off (I have one slightly broken key because I wasn't
careful enough in the past).  Thanks!

I've fixed a keyboard in the past where the wiring is basically a
traces on multiple plastic sheets.  A keypress in registered when the
traces on the two different sheets make contact through holes in
another sheet where the buttons are.  With the keyboard I fixed, I was
able to separate the sheets and fix the trace with some conducting
paint (you can buy it at an auto repair shop to replace the heating
lines on the back window of a car).  However, almost every newer
keyboard glues those sheets together and makes it impossible to clean
or fix those traces.  The one I have seems to have a metal backing and
melted plastic rivets holding it together.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Alvin Starr via talk]

I have an asus of a similar design and the keys actually pop off.

They were a pain to get back together but you may be able to pry off the 
power button and clean the contact.


This may be of  some general help. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txx05fh41z4


On 1/10/19 11:17 AM, Tim Tisdall via talk wrote:

So!  I managed to get the computer on and confirm that the issue
appears to be the power button.  What I did was unplug the battery and
the BIOS battery and then when I plugged in the power the default is
for it to immediately turn on.  After I got it running I was able to
confirm that the power button doesn't register a key press but EVERY
OTHER BUTTON DOES WORK.  If any other key broke then at least I could
use an external keyboard until I was able to get replacement parts.

Thanks to everyone for suggestions!  I had assumed that the keyboard
was fused to the casing as I couldn't find any screws (hopefully it's
obvious how to remove it after removing the motherboard, etc).  The
individual keys poke through the metal casing and requires removing
the motherboard and everything else first to access.

To reply to some emails...

The drive is a Micron M600 and it says on it m.2 SATA.  I didn't even
know that was a thing until opening the laptop.  The drive booted fine
so I'm not going to bother buying an enclosure for it, but they have
ones at Canada Computers for around $20.

Hugh, I really appreciate the offer to help backup the drive!  Thank you!

Lennart, thanks for linking to that keyboard replacement otherwise I
probably would have continued to erroneously believe that the keyboard
wasn't replaceable without replacing the casing!  A lot of laptops
still allow keyboard replacement from the front through tabs, but some
other ones (like mine) don't have that convenience.  It seems to be a
design decision.

Stewart, I'll be sure to do what you suggested if I ever spill on it
again.  At the time I didn't have the screwdrivers so I wouldn't have
been able to remove the battery, but at least I could have put it
upside-down or on it's side to prevent gravity from seeping in any
moisture.  I also bought a can of compressed air that I can use next
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Tim Tisdall via talk]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 11:23, Don Tai  wrote:
> If you do not see screws or plastic snaps, then they might use double sided 
> tape. Slowly pry apart.
>
> FYI my old Lenovo Thinkpad has liquid drainage holes from the keyboard right 
> through to the back of the bottom casing. I have not tested this feature.

I really hope it's not glue/tape.

I remember seeing a video where they tested those drainage holes.  I
think part of their conclusion was that it worked well, but only if
the laptop remained flat.  If you tilt the laptop then liquid may go
through other spots other than the spill channels.  It's like a
shallow plate with holes, if you tilt it then it'll go up and over the
sides instead of through the holes.  (If I'm remembering the video
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Don Tai via talk]

If you do not see screws or plastic snaps, then they might use double sided
tape. Slowly pry apart.

FYI my old Lenovo Thinkpad has liquid drainage holes from the keyboard
right through to the back of the bottom casing. I have not tested this
feature.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 11:17, Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:

> So!  I managed to get the computer on and confirm that the issue
> appears to be the power button.  What I did was unplug the battery and
> the BIOS battery and then when I plugged in the power the default is
> for it to immediately turn on.  After I got it running I was able to
> confirm that the power button doesn't register a key press but EVERY
> OTHER BUTTON DOES WORK.  If any other key broke then at least I could
> use an external keyboard until I was able to get replacement parts.
>
> Thanks to everyone for suggestions!  I had assumed that the keyboard
> was fused to the casing as I couldn't find any screws (hopefully it's
> obvious how to remove it after removing the motherboard, etc).  The
> individual keys poke through the metal casing and requires removing
> the motherboard and everything else first to access.
>
> To reply to some emails...
>
> The drive is a Micron M600 and it says on it m.2 SATA.  I didn't even
> know that was a thing until opening the laptop.  The drive booted fine
> so I'm not going to bother buying an enclosure for it, but they have
> ones at Canada Computers for around $20.
>
> Hugh, I really appreciate the offer to help backup the drive!  Thank you!
>
> Lennart, thanks for linking to that keyboard replacement otherwise I
> probably would have continued to erroneously believe that the keyboard
> wasn't replaceable without replacing the casing!  A lot of laptops
> still allow keyboard replacement from the front through tabs, but some
> other ones (like mine) don't have that convenience.  It seems to be a
> design decision.
>
> Stewart, I'll be sure to do what you suggested if I ever spill on it
> again.  At the time I didn't have the screwdrivers so I wouldn't have
> been able to remove the battery, but at least I could have put it
> upside-down or on it's side to prevent gravity from seeping in any
> moisture.  I also bought a can of compressed air that I can use next
> time to help blow some of the liquid out.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Tim Tisdall via talk]

So!  I managed to get the computer on and confirm that the issue
appears to be the power button.  What I did was unplug the battery and
the BIOS battery and then when I plugged in the power the default is
for it to immediately turn on.  After I got it running I was able to
confirm that the power button doesn't register a key press but EVERY
OTHER BUTTON DOES WORK.  If any other key broke then at least I could
use an external keyboard until I was able to get replacement parts.

Thanks to everyone for suggestions!  I had assumed that the keyboard
was fused to the casing as I couldn't find any screws (hopefully it's
obvious how to remove it after removing the motherboard, etc).  The
individual keys poke through the metal casing and requires removing
the motherboard and everything else first to access.

To reply to some emails...

The drive is a Micron M600 and it says on it m.2 SATA.  I didn't even
know that was a thing until opening the laptop.  The drive booted fine
so I'm not going to bother buying an enclosure for it, but they have
ones at Canada Computers for around $20.

Hugh, I really appreciate the offer to help backup the drive!  Thank you!

Lennart, thanks for linking to that keyboard replacement otherwise I
probably would have continued to erroneously believe that the keyboard
wasn't replaceable without replacing the casing!  A lot of laptops
still allow keyboard replacement from the front through tabs, but some
other ones (like mine) don't have that convenience.  It seems to be a
design decision.

Stewart, I'll be sure to do what you suggested if I ever spill on it
again.  At the time I didn't have the screwdrivers so I wouldn't have
been able to remove the battery, but at least I could have put it
upside-down or on it's side to prevent gravity from seeping in any
moisture.  I also bought a can of compressed air that I can use next
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

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On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 01:48:30PM -0500, Alex Volkov via talk wrote:
> If keyboard is a regular button, is it possible that the keyboard is
> shorted out along with power button and that's why laptop does't start.
> It's is not actually dead?

My guess is it's opposite.  That is, coffee dried up and is now coating
the contacts of power button.  Anyways, I concur with others.
Disassemble, clean, rinse, dry, and reassemble.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk]

| From: Tim Tisdall via talk 

|   I was hoping to at least get my data
| off, but the SSD uses a M.2 interface which requires buying some sort of
| adapter.

m.2 sockets really common now.

Older ones are m.2 SATA.  Your notebook is old enough that I'm 90%
sure it would be m.2 SATA.

Newer computers have m.2 NVMe sockets.  Those will accept m.2 SATA
devices anyway.

There's a third class that I don't understand: M.2 AHCI.

Many modern desktop motherboards have m.2 slots.  Starting, I think, with 
the Intel 7th gen (7xxx) or perhaps 8th gen (8xxx).  It's not that they 
couldn't do it sooner but it got compelling when NVMe became available: a 
lot faster than SATA.  Just for fun, here's the cheapest one I've found on 
newegg.ca (not a recommendation): 


Inconveniently for you, most notebooks with m.2 sockets don't have
another disk interface.  And they are awkward to open.

Adapter cards for a desktop are about $25 and up:


Summary: m.2 sockets are common.

Recommendation: remove the drive from your computer.  You don't want
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Stewart C. Russell via talk]

On 2019-01-09 2:05 p.m., Tim Tisdall via talk wrote:
> I think so.  After the spill, I continued to use the computer for 6hrs
> without issue.

I think you may have baked everything on by doing this. Usual procedure
for nasty spills like this is shutdown quick as possible, hoick the
battery out, flip the machine on the side to get some drainage, get the
HD out then hope you have enough distilled water to flush everything
out. Leave it for a couple of weeks to dry and it might just power on.

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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 01:44:38PM -0500, Tim Tisdall via talk wrote:
> It won't even start.  The power button is a regular key on the
> keyboard and has a back light to indicate that it's on.  I press it
> and nothing at all happens.  I tried unplugging the battery and
> powering it like in the video, but nothing happens.  I think the
> device doesn't actually power on without a battery and alternates
> between the power light and the wifi light like in the video when the
> battery is disconnected.  I don't even get that.
> 
> The only thing I do get is the light on the side to indicate that the
> battery is being charged when the power is plugged in.  If the battery
> is disconnected then the light is orange instead of white.
> 
> In response to your other email:  There's no evidence of anything
> getting near the ribbon connector for the keyboard.  I think liquid
> may have gotten inside the keyboard and it's preventing it from
> detecting the power button key press.  Unfortunately, it seems like
> the keyboard is actually fused together with the case and it's not
> possible to open.  I wish I knew which pins to connect on the keyboard
> connector to simulate pressing the power button to test that theory.

Well replacement keyboards do exist if that is the problem:

https://laptopparts.ca/products/asus-zenbook-ux305-ux305ca-ux305fa-ux305ua-us-english-keyboard-13nb06x1am0201

I wonder if someone like http://nptechnologies.ca/ would do reasonable
repairs or at least be able to say what the problem is.

I found this list too some of which sound potentially useful:

https://www.blogto.com/tech/2016/09/the_top_10_computer_repair_shops_in_toronto/

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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 12:24:36PM -0500, Tim Tisdall via talk wrote:
> Sorry for the top post, but on my phone right now...
> 
> I bought the torx set and opened it up (thanks for the video which showed
> the 2 hidden screws).  I can't see anything out of the ordinary and
> everything is dry on the bottom side.  I was hoping to at least get my data
> off, but the SSD uses a M.2 interface which requires buying some sort of
> adapter.
> 
> I'll take it apart some more and see if I find anything...

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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Don Tai via talk]

I would try to remove the keyboard from the motherboard and somehow clean
it. There must be some way to remove the keyboard. Your laptop at this
point is dead, so you might as well try aggressive methods of removal.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 14:39, Nicholas Krause via talk 
wrote:

>
>
> On January 9, 2019 2:05:18 PM EST, Tim Tisdall via talk 
> wrote:
> >I think so.  After the spill, I continued to use the computer for 6hrs
> >without issue.  The issue only happened after turning it off and trying
> >to
> >turn it on again the following day. However, I didn't notice any issues
> >typing.
> >
> >On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 1:48 PM Alex Volkov  >
> >> If keyboard is a regular button, is it possible that the keyboard is
> >> shorted out along with power button and that's why laptop does't
> >start.
> >> It's is not actually dead?
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> It seems so after reading this, I don't know about shorting the pins on
> the motherboard that connect to the power button. Perhaps that will turn it
> on or is it just a cable for the whole keyboard as if thats the case, try a
> new keyboard or power button.
> Nick
> >> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 13:44 Tim Tisdall via talk 
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 13:04, Don Tai via talk 
> >wrote:
> >>> > Switching tactics, can you get to BIOS? Can you boot to something
> >like
> >>> Ubuntu with a USB key? The coffee and the boot issue might be
> >coincidental.
> >>> Remove the battery (see video) and see if you can start up with a
> >brick.
> >>>
> >>> It won't even start.  The power button is a regular key on the
> >>> keyboard and has a back light to indicate that it's on.  I press it
> >>> and nothing at all happens.  I tried unplugging the battery and
> >>> powering it like in the video, but nothing happens.  I think the
> >>> device doesn't actually power on without a battery and alternates
> >>> between the power light and the wifi light like in the video when
> >the
> >>> battery is disconnected.  I don't even get that.
> >>>
> >>> The only thing I do get is the light on the side to indicate that
> >the
> >>> battery is being charged when the power is plugged in.  If the
> >battery
> >>> is disconnected then the light is orange instead of white.
> >>>
> >>> In response to your other email:  There's no evidence of anything
> >>> getting near the ribbon connector for the keyboard.  I think liquid
> >>> may have gotten inside the keyboard and it's preventing it from
> >>> detecting the power button key press.  Unfortunately, it seems like
> >>> the keyboard is actually fused together with the case and it's not
> >>> possible to open.  I wish I knew which pins to connect on the
> >keyboard
> >>> connector to simulate pressing the power button to test that theory.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Nicholas Krause via talk]

On January 9, 2019 2:05:18 PM EST, Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:
>I think so.  After the spill, I continued to use the computer for 6hrs
>without issue.  The issue only happened after turning it off and trying
>to
>turn it on again the following day. However, I didn't notice any issues
>typing.
>
>On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 1:48 PM Alex Volkov 
>> If keyboard is a regular button, is it possible that the keyboard is
>> shorted out along with power button and that's why laptop does't
>start.
>> It's is not actually dead?
>>
>>
>>

It seems so after reading this, I don't know about shorting the pins on the 
motherboard that connect to the power button. Perhaps that will turn it on or 
is it just a cable for the whole keyboard as if thats the case, try a new 
keyboard or power button. 
Nick
>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 13:44 Tim Tisdall via talk 
>wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 13:04, Don Tai via talk 
>wrote:
>>> > Switching tactics, can you get to BIOS? Can you boot to something
>like
>>> Ubuntu with a USB key? The coffee and the boot issue might be
>coincidental.
>>> Remove the battery (see video) and see if you can start up with a
>brick.
>>>
>>> It won't even start.  The power button is a regular key on the
>>> keyboard and has a back light to indicate that it's on.  I press it
>>> and nothing at all happens.  I tried unplugging the battery and
>>> powering it like in the video, but nothing happens.  I think the
>>> device doesn't actually power on without a battery and alternates
>>> between the power light and the wifi light like in the video when
>the
>>> battery is disconnected.  I don't even get that.
>>>
>>> The only thing I do get is the light on the side to indicate that
>the
>>> battery is being charged when the power is plugged in.  If the
>battery
>>> is disconnected then the light is orange instead of white.
>>>
>>> In response to your other email:  There's no evidence of anything
>>> getting near the ribbon connector for the keyboard.  I think liquid
>>> may have gotten inside the keyboard and it's preventing it from
>>> detecting the power button key press.  Unfortunately, it seems like
>>> the keyboard is actually fused together with the case and it's not
>>> possible to open.  I wish I knew which pins to connect on the
>keyboard
>>> connector to simulate pressing the power button to test that theory.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Tim Tisdall via talk]

I think so.  After the spill, I continued to use the computer for 6hrs
without issue.  The issue only happened after turning it off and trying to
turn it on again the following day. However, I didn't notice any issues
typing.

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 1:48 PM Alex Volkov  If keyboard is a regular button, is it possible that the keyboard is
> shorted out along with power button and that's why laptop does't start.
> It's is not actually dead?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 13:44 Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 13:04, Don Tai via talk  wrote:
>> > Switching tactics, can you get to BIOS? Can you boot to something like
>> Ubuntu with a USB key? The coffee and the boot issue might be coincidental.
>> Remove the battery (see video) and see if you can start up with a brick.
>>
>> It won't even start.  The power button is a regular key on the
>> keyboard and has a back light to indicate that it's on.  I press it
>> and nothing at all happens.  I tried unplugging the battery and
>> powering it like in the video, but nothing happens.  I think the
>> device doesn't actually power on without a battery and alternates
>> between the power light and the wifi light like in the video when the
>> battery is disconnected.  I don't even get that.
>>
>> The only thing I do get is the light on the side to indicate that the
>> battery is being charged when the power is plugged in.  If the battery
>> is disconnected then the light is orange instead of white.
>>
>> In response to your other email:  There's no evidence of anything
>> getting near the ribbon connector for the keyboard.  I think liquid
>> may have gotten inside the keyboard and it's preventing it from
>> detecting the power button key press.  Unfortunately, it seems like
>> the keyboard is actually fused together with the case and it's not
>> possible to open.  I wish I knew which pins to connect on the keyboard
>> connector to simulate pressing the power button to test that theory.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Alex Volkov via talk]

If keyboard is a regular button, is it possible that the keyboard is
shorted out along with power button and that's why laptop does't start.
It's is not actually dead?



On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 13:44 Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 13:04, Don Tai via talk  wrote:
> > Switching tactics, can you get to BIOS? Can you boot to something like
> Ubuntu with a USB key? The coffee and the boot issue might be coincidental.
> Remove the battery (see video) and see if you can start up with a brick.
>
> It won't even start.  The power button is a regular key on the
> keyboard and has a back light to indicate that it's on.  I press it
> and nothing at all happens.  I tried unplugging the battery and
> powering it like in the video, but nothing happens.  I think the
> device doesn't actually power on without a battery and alternates
> between the power light and the wifi light like in the video when the
> battery is disconnected.  I don't even get that.
>
> The only thing I do get is the light on the side to indicate that the
> battery is being charged when the power is plugged in.  If the battery
> is disconnected then the light is orange instead of white.
>
> In response to your other email:  There's no evidence of anything
> getting near the ribbon connector for the keyboard.  I think liquid
> may have gotten inside the keyboard and it's preventing it from
> detecting the power button key press.  Unfortunately, it seems like
> the keyboard is actually fused together with the case and it's not
> possible to open.  I wish I knew which pins to connect on the keyboard
> connector to simulate pressing the power button to test that theory.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Tim Tisdall via talk]

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 13:04, Don Tai via talk  wrote:
> Switching tactics, can you get to BIOS? Can you boot to something like Ubuntu 
> with a USB key? The coffee and the boot issue might be coincidental. Remove 
> the battery (see video) and see if you can start up with a brick.

It won't even start.  The power button is a regular key on the
keyboard and has a back light to indicate that it's on.  I press it
and nothing at all happens.  I tried unplugging the battery and
powering it like in the video, but nothing happens.  I think the
device doesn't actually power on without a battery and alternates
between the power light and the wifi light like in the video when the
battery is disconnected.  I don't even get that.

The only thing I do get is the light on the side to indicate that the
battery is being charged when the power is plugged in.  If the battery
is disconnected then the light is orange instead of white.

In response to your other email:  There's no evidence of anything
getting near the ribbon connector for the keyboard.  I think liquid
may have gotten inside the keyboard and it's preventing it from
detecting the power button key press.  Unfortunately, it seems like
the keyboard is actually fused together with the case and it's not
possible to open.  I wish I knew which pins to connect on the keyboard
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Don Tai via talk]

The keyboard is usually connected to the motherboard with a ribbon, and the
touchpad with another ribbon. Stuff might have gotten into the connector
and gummed it up. Carefully remove the ribbon from the motherboard, clean
and reinstall.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 13:03, Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 12:08, Lennart Sorensen via talk 
> wrote:
> > Look up Louis Rossmann on youtube if you want to see what kind of repairs
> > are in fact possible today and not that big a deal.
>
> Yeah, those videos are exactly why I was looking for someone who does
> what he does.  But it does seem to be a rare thing.  I think my issue
> may just be the keyboard, but I don't think it's possible to open that
> part (and, of course, it's underneath everything else just to see if
> it's even possible).  I miss the days where the keyboard could be
> pulled out from the top without having to even open the casing.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Don Tai via talk]

Switching tactics, can you get to BIOS? Can you boot to something like
Ubuntu with a USB key? The coffee and the boot issue might be coincidental.
Remove the battery (see video) and see if you can start up with a brick.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:20, Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:

> So, my laptop won't turn on today and it's likely due to a coffee spill
> that happened yesterday.  I suspect a trace on the board may have become
> corroded.  I took it to the ASUS repair centre on Markham and the absolute
> minimum cost to repair it would probably be $400 and if I want to keep
> everything on my SSD I would need to remove it first (but I don't have the
> necessary torx bits to do that).  I think they only swap parts out and
> don't attempt to actually repair.
>
> Does anyone know of a good and reputable repair place that would be able
> to fix a corroded trace on the board if that's all it is?  It's an Asus
> Zenbook UX305C.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Tim Tisdall via talk]

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 12:08, Lennart Sorensen via talk  wrote:
> Look up Louis Rossmann on youtube if you want to see what kind of repairs
> are in fact possible today and not that big a deal.

Yeah, those videos are exactly why I was looking for someone who does
what he does.  But it does seem to be a rare thing.  I think my issue
may just be the keyboard, but I don't think it's possible to open that
part (and, of course, it's underneath everything else just to see if
it's even possible).  I miss the days where the keyboard could be
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Tim Tisdall via talk]

Sorry for the top post, but on my phone right now...

I bought the torx set and opened it up (thanks for the video which showed
the 2 hidden screws).  I can't see anything out of the ordinary and
everything is dry on the bottom side.  I was hoping to at least get my data
off, but the SSD uses a M.2 interface which requires buying some sort of
adapter.

I'll take it apart some more and see if I find anything...

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 12:12 PM Giles Orr via talk  Hi Tim.
>
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:20, Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:
>
>> So, my laptop won't turn on today and it's likely due to a coffee spill
>> that happened yesterday.  I suspect a trace on the board may have become
>> corroded.  I took it to the ASUS repair centre on Markham and the absolute
>> minimum cost to repair it would probably be $400 and if I want to keep
>> everything on my SSD I would need to remove it first (but I don't have the
>> necessary torx bits to do that).  I think they only swap parts out and
>> don't attempt to actually repair.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a good and reputable repair place that would be able
>> to fix a corroded trace on the board if that's all it is?  It's an Asus
>> Zenbook UX305C.
>>
>
> I worked for Repair Cafe for a long time (up until mid-2017), doing
> repairs on desktops and laptops.  It was ... educational.  If you know how
> to use the soldering iron you own, you're already just as qualified as most
> of the people who run those small laptop repair shops.  Most of them will
> do what I did at Repair Cafe: watch a YouTube video, take the thing apart,
> look for obvious disconnections, clean things, reassemble it and hope it
> works.  Those that are actually "qualified" to work on specific computers
> (ie. have been trained by the computer manufacturers and deeply understand
> the inner workings of specific parts) are A) rare, and B) so expensive it's
> cheaper to replace your computer rather than repair it.
>
> You'll notice I didn't actually suggest using the soldering iron: that's
> very unlikely to come up.  As others have mentioned,  current circuit
> boards have traces so small they're exceedingly difficult to work with.
> You replace the whole board (or the whole laptop!) by preference.
>
> So get that torx kit (they're cheap, and if you bust a tip you won't mind
> having two sets), take the computer apart, clean it, and reassemble it.
> This is what the repair shop you could afford would do, but you'll do it
> with more care because it's your computer.  If you don't have the time for
> that, then perhaps you have money: pull the hard drive and move the data to
> a new machine.
>
> I'm guessing this isn't what you wanted to hear.  Since it's the approach
> I take, you can probably guess I don't know of any repair shops because I
> don't use them.  I apologize for both these things ... it's the best I've
> got.
>
> I own the exact same laptop and I love it - it's worth investing at least
> some effort in.  Good luck.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Giles Orr via talk]

Hi Tim.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:20, Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:

> So, my laptop won't turn on today and it's likely due to a coffee spill
> that happened yesterday.  I suspect a trace on the board may have become
> corroded.  I took it to the ASUS repair centre on Markham and the absolute
> minimum cost to repair it would probably be $400 and if I want to keep
> everything on my SSD I would need to remove it first (but I don't have the
> necessary torx bits to do that).  I think they only swap parts out and
> don't attempt to actually repair.
>
> Does anyone know of a good and reputable repair place that would be able
> to fix a corroded trace on the board if that's all it is?  It's an Asus
> Zenbook UX305C.
>

I worked for Repair Cafe for a long time (up until mid-2017), doing repairs
on desktops and laptops.  It was ... educational.  If you know how to use
the soldering iron you own, you're already just as qualified as most of the
people who run those small laptop repair shops.  Most of them will do what
I did at Repair Cafe: watch a YouTube video, take the thing apart, look for
obvious disconnections, clean things, reassemble it and hope it works.
Those that are actually "qualified" to work on specific computers (ie. have
been trained by the computer manufacturers and deeply understand the inner
workings of specific parts) are A) rare, and B) so expensive it's cheaper
to replace your computer rather than repair it.

You'll notice I didn't actually suggest using the soldering iron: that's
very unlikely to come up.  As others have mentioned,  current circuit
boards have traces so small they're exceedingly difficult to work with.
You replace the whole board (or the whole laptop!) by preference.

So get that torx kit (they're cheap, and if you bust a tip you won't mind
having two sets), take the computer apart, clean it, and reassemble it.
This is what the repair shop you could afford would do, but you'll do it
with more care because it's your computer.  If you don't have the time for
that, then perhaps you have money: pull the hard drive and move the data to
a new machine.

I'm guessing this isn't what you wanted to hear.  Since it's the approach I
take, you can probably guess I don't know of any repair shops because I
don't use them.  I apologize for both these things ... it's the best I've
got.

I own the exact same laptop and I love it - it's worth investing at least
some effort in.  Good luck.

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[Lennart Sorensen via talk]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 11:01:54AM -0500, Don Tai via talk wrote:
> I usually remove all connections, ensure everything is clean, then
> carefully reinstall everything. Do people actually do traces and try to
> solder? These are tiny components. I use a multimeter to ensure connections
> are electrically sound, and that is it. Sometimes for a loose connector
> such as a USB I'll heat up the connectors enough to resolder itself, but
> not hot enough to remove connections.
> 
> I know of no place that does more than troubleshoot and swap parts.

Look up Louis Rossmann on youtube if you want to see what kind of repairs
are in fact possible today and not that big a deal.  he runs a repair
shop in new york fixing a lot of things apple says can't be fixed as
well as cell phones and other such things.  He can't be the only one
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[James Knott via talk]

On 01/09/2019 11:01 AM, Don Tai via talk wrote:
> I usually remove all connections, ensure everything is clean, then
> carefully reinstall everything. Do people actually do traces and try
> to solder? These are tiny components. I use a multimeter to ensure
> connections are electrically sound, and that is it. Sometimes for a
> loose connector such as a USB I'll heat up the connectors enough to
> resolder itself, but not hot enough to remove connections.

I have often repaired circuit boards, including with the surface mount
devices.  However, given the cost of consumer devices, it's often not
worth the effort.  When working on computers that could cost as much as
a house, as I used to do, it's a different matter.

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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[James Knott via talk]

On 01/09/2019 10:22 AM, Don Tai via talk wrote:
> I'd try buying the correct torx screwdriver sizes at CanTire and take
> it apart myself. Then clean and put back together.
>

They're also available at Sayal and probably many other places.  As for
repairing, depending on what happened, it may be possible to rinse in
hot water.  I used to often wash circuit boards in it, back when I was a
computer tech (working on mini computers).  As for repair shops
replacing, rather than repairing, that's pretty much necessary, given
the complexity of today's devices.  Trouble shooting takes time and with
the cost of tech time and overhead, it doesn't take long to reach the
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

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On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 10:19:55 -0500
Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of a good and reputable repair place that would be able to
> fix a corroded trace on the board if that's all it is?  It's an Asus
> Zenbook UX305C.

Tim,

   I do not like the idea of my computer and hard driving being in the
possession of someone I do not know or trust.  I strongly advise
reading the do-it-yourself suggestions, above.




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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Don Tai via talk]

I usually remove all connections, ensure everything is clean, then
carefully reinstall everything. Do people actually do traces and try to
solder? These are tiny components. I use a multimeter to ensure connections
are electrically sound, and that is it. Sometimes for a loose connector
such as a USB I'll heat up the connectors enough to resolder itself, but
not hot enough to remove connections.

I know of no place that does more than troubleshoot and swap parts.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:55, Dave Collier-Brown via talk 
wrote:

> There used to be a good little laptop repair shop at
> https://goo.gl/maps/APtaLkcY4262  Eglington west of the Allan expressway.
> I see two little PC places there, but they aren't familiar...
>
> Google lists lots of places, including one called "laptopwash.ca" (;-))
>
> --dave
> On 2019-01-09 10:30 a.m., Alvin Starr via talk wrote:
>
> I second grabbing the torx screwdriver.
>
> I got a cheap(ish) multi-bit screwdriver kit at Princess Auto and it has
> been great for fixing things like that.
>
> It may not be a corroded trace but it may still just be wet inside and the
> coffee and water would happily conduct.
>
> If you take the board out and can a bit of clean water can be used to
> flush the wet parts.
>
> Also things like keyboards don't take kindly to dirty water under the keys.
> On 1/9/19 10:22 AM, Don Tai via talk wrote:
>
> I'd try buying the correct torx screwdriver sizes at CanTire and take it
> apart myself. Then clean and put back together.
>
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:20, Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:
>
>> So, my laptop won't turn on today and it's likely due to a coffee spill
>> that happened yesterday.  I suspect a trace on the board may have become
>> corroded.  I took it to the ASUS repair centre on Markham and the absolute
>> minimum cost to repair it would probably be $400 and if I want to keep
>> everything on my SSD I would need to remove it first (but I don't have the
>> necessary torx bits to do that).  I think they only swap parts out and
>> don't attempt to actually repair.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a good and reputable repair place that would be able
>> to fix a corroded trace on the board if that's all it is?  It's an Asus
>> Zenbook UX305C.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Dave Collier-Brown via talk]

There used to be a good little laptop repair shop at 
https://goo.gl/maps/APtaLkcY4262  Eglington west of the Allan expressway. I see 
two little PC places there, but they aren't familiar...

Google lists lots of places, including one called "laptopwash.ca" (;-))

--dave

On 2019-01-09 10:30 a.m., Alvin Starr via talk wrote:

I second grabbing the torx screwdriver.

I got a cheap(ish) multi-bit screwdriver kit at Princess Auto and it has been 
great for fixing things like that.

It may not be a corroded trace but it may still just be wet inside and the 
coffee and water would happily conduct.

If you take the board out and can a bit of clean water can be used to flush the 
wet parts.

Also things like keyboards don't take kindly to dirty water under the keys.

On 1/9/19 10:22 AM, Don Tai via talk wrote:
I'd try buying the correct torx screwdriver sizes at CanTire and take it apart 
myself. Then clean and put back together.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:20, Tim Tisdall via talk 
mailto:talk@gtalug.org>> wrote:
So, my laptop won't turn on today and it's likely due to a coffee spill that 
happened yesterday.  I suspect a trace on the board may have become corroded.  
I took it to the ASUS repair centre on Markham and the absolute minimum cost to 
repair it would probably be $400 and if I want to keep everything on my SSD I 
would need to remove it first (but I don't have the necessary torx bits to do 
that).  I think they only swap parts out and don't attempt to actually repair.

Does anyone know of a good and reputable repair place that would be able to fix 
a corroded trace on the board if that's all it is?  It's an Asus Zenbook UX305C.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

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On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:22, Don Tai via talk  wrote:
> I'd try buying the correct torx screwdriver sizes at CanTire and take it 
> apart myself. Then clean and put back together.

Yeah, I actually ordered a set weeks ago to repair my phone and the
tracking says it arrived at the airport on Christmas day.  So, one
should be arriving at my house any day now, but who knows how long.
It seems the 66 piece set at Canadian Tire is on sale again for $20.
I KNOW if I buy it that the other set will arrive this evening.

However, if I do that and it still won't turn on afterwards can anyone
recommend someone who's able to do actual repairs (such as fixing
traces or surface connections).  I have a soldering iron and
multi-meter, but not sure I want to risk it myself.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Don Tai via talk]

Looks like a pretty easy disassembly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JRasaPnTU8 Asus Zenbook UX305C.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:20, Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:

> So, my laptop won't turn on today and it's likely due to a coffee spill
> that happened yesterday.  I suspect a trace on the board may have become
> corroded.  I took it to the ASUS repair centre on Markham and the absolute
> minimum cost to repair it would probably be $400 and if I want to keep
> everything on my SSD I would need to remove it first (but I don't have the
> necessary torx bits to do that).  I think they only swap parts out and
> don't attempt to actually repair.
>
> Does anyone know of a good and reputable repair place that would be able
> to fix a corroded trace on the board if that's all it is?  It's an Asus
> Zenbook UX305C.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Alvin Starr via talk]

I second grabbing the torx screwdriver.

I got a cheap(ish) multi-bit screwdriver kit at Princess Auto and it has 
been great for fixing things like that.


It may not be a corroded trace but it may still just be wet inside and 
the coffee and water would happily conduct.


If you take the board out and can a bit of clean water can be used to 
flush the wet parts.


Also things like keyboards don't take kindly to dirty water under the keys.

On 1/9/19 10:22 AM, Don Tai via talk wrote:
I'd try buying the correct torx screwdriver sizes at CanTire and take 
it apart myself. Then clean and put back together.


On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:20, Tim Tisdall via talk > wrote:


So, my laptop won't turn on today and it's likely due to a coffee
spill that happened yesterday.  I suspect a trace on the board may
have become corroded.  I took it to the ASUS repair centre on
Markham and the absolute minimum cost to repair it would probably
be $400 and if I want to keep everything on my SSD I would need to
remove it first (but I don't have the necessary torx bits to do
that).  I think they only swap parts out and don't attempt to
actually repair.

Does anyone know of a good and reputable repair place that would
be able to fix a corroded trace on the board if that's all it is? 
It's an Asus Zenbook UX305C.
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Re: [GTALUG] laptop repair in GTA/Markham?

[Don Tai via talk]

I'd try buying the correct torx screwdriver sizes at CanTire and take it
apart myself. Then clean and put back together.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:20, Tim Tisdall via talk  wrote:

> So, my laptop won't turn on today and it's likely due to a coffee spill
> that happened yesterday.  I suspect a trace on the board may have become
> corroded.  I took it to the ASUS repair centre on Markham and the absolute
> minimum cost to repair it would probably be $400 and if I want to keep
> everything on my SSD I would need to remove it first (but I don't have the
> necessary torx bits to do that).  I think they only swap parts out and
> don't attempt to actually repair.
>
> Does anyone know of a good and reputable repair place that would be able
> to fix a corroded trace on the board if that's all it is?  It's an Asus
> Zenbook UX305C.
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