Re: Window-Eyes features

2016-02-28 Thread Bryan Peterson via Talk 

Come again?



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
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From: Gary Melconian via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:10 PM
To: 'Sky Mundell' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Darrell Bowles'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes features

But its there  for those who want to enabled and its hou lbe ther for the
window eyes user who wants to enable it as well its been ther for agessine
JAWs 11, see ther are fatures thathe competiton gets right which takes gw
ages to get right lately.  Touch support, and toher thigns tha it takes for
ever for gw and ai to develop.
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Classic Shell

2016-02-28 Thread Ivan Cribb via Talk 
Is any one running Classic Shell with Windows 10 and are there any problems?

Ivan Cribb

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RE: Window-Eyes features

2016-02-28 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk 
As for research it,, I have no idea what the idea was behind that one.
Personally I don't gaim much from research it at all, I just use google, and
the internet, and that's fine.

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Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:52 PM
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Subject: RE: Window-Eyes features

Why reinvent the wheels?  Anyway, I'll let Tech support chime in on this
one!  Isn't the ribbon reasonably accessible now by some default?  

Just like Research It in Jaws!  This functionality is already available
through google.com, so it's a redundant bell and whistle that DOES NOT add
much value with regards to a blind individual learning to use his or her
screen reader efficiently.  Besides, Jaws pulls the information from Google
anyway, so why duplicate that which already exists?

Just my half centime, sorry, they got rid of that currency too many years
ago; I was too sleepy then to remember when it happened!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: Window-Eyes features

2016-02-28 Thread Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
Why reinvent the wheels?  Anyway, I'll let Tech support chime in on this
one!  Isn't the ribbon reasonably accessible now by some default?  

Just like Research It in Jaws!  This functionality is already available
through google.com, so it's a redundant bell and whistle that DOES NOT add
much value with regards to a blind individual learning to use his or her
screen reader efficiently.  Besides, Jaws pulls the information from Google
anyway, so why duplicate that which already exists?

Just my half centime, sorry, they got rid of that currency too many years
ago; I was too sleepy then to remember when it happened!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Window-Eyes features

2016-02-28 Thread Darrell Bowles via Talk 
Personally, I see no problem using the ribbons in Microsoft products. The 
ribbons are not going anywhere. However, I do think, that if necessary a 
virtual ribbon menu should be an option, it should not be by default.

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> On Feb 28, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Dennis Long via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I third that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:13 PM
> To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes features
> 
> I second that motion!!
> 
>> On 2/28/2016 5:12 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>> Hello guys.  Has AI Squared staff ever considered, in the next version 
>> of Window-Eyes, a feature that one other screen reader has? That 
>> feature is called Virtual ribbons. What Virtual ribbons does is it 
>> makes the ribbons in Microsoft office 2007 upwards into a menu bar.  
>> That is a feature that every screen reader should have. Window-Eyes 
>> should have a virtual ribbons like feature.
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RE: Window-Eyes features

2016-02-28 Thread Gary Melconian via Talk 
I wouldlike ot se that in the next version of window eyes asa majoir
feature. As that is one feature thathe ocmpetion has oave window eyes as
well as touch screen support. Come on guys at ai and gw micro get on top of
thing s an release a version with features thathe consuemrs want. 

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Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 6:51 PM
To: 'Rick Jarvis' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes features

I third that.

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On Behalf Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:13 PM
To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes features

I second that motion!!

On 2/28/2016 5:12 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Hello guys.  Has AI Squared staff ever considered, in the next version 
> of Window-Eyes, a feature that one other screen reader has? That 
> feature is called Virtual ribbons. What Virtual ribbons does is it 
> makes the ribbons in Microsoft office 2007 upwards into a menu bar.
> That is a feature that every screen reader should have. Window-Eyes 
> should have a virtual ribbons like feature.
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RE: Window-Eyes features

2016-02-28 Thread Dennis Long via Talk 
I third that.

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Subject: Re: Window-Eyes features

I second that motion!!

On 2/28/2016 5:12 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Hello guys.  Has AI Squared staff ever considered, in the next version 
> of Window-Eyes, a feature that one other screen reader has? That 
> feature is called Virtual ribbons. What Virtual ribbons does is it 
> makes the ribbons in Microsoft office 2007 upwards into a menu bar.  
> That is a feature that every screen reader should have. Window-Eyes 
> should have a virtual ribbons like feature.
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w e focus

2016-02-28 Thread net bat via Talk 
if useing wlm you have to be carefull when you reply to a message because half 
the time focus will go to the subject line. not the composition window.
i get this all the time and if i don't check where the reply is being typed i 
will do the same thing. send the message with the reply in the subject line.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:22 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: There are at least four ways that screen readers determine what 
tospeak in most cases Windows tells the screen reader that somethinghappened 
ona window then then the screen reader asks the program that owned thewindow 
what happen? UIA is the most


The message wasn't blank.   It's just that he put the message in the
subjectline instead of where it should have gone.  Pam.

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Re: There are at least four ways that screen readers determine what to speak in most cases Windows tells the screen reader that something happened on a window then then the screen reader asks the prog

2016-02-28 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
The message wasn't blank.   It's just that he put the message in the 
subjectline instead of where it should have gone.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Rick Thomas via Talk

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 5:04 AM
To: 'Jonathan C. Cohn' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Manny'
Cc: 'WE SUPPORT'
Subject: RE: There are at least four ways that screen readers determine what 
to speak in most cases Windows tells the screen reader that something 
happened on a window then then the screen reader asks the program that owned 
the window what happen? UIA is the most


Hi: Jonathan, looks like your message was blank.
The fact that WindowEyes can crash the system, lock it up, when no reply is
found from a called method or object is a bug in WindowEyes.
In programming, especially when programming against third party apps, you
put a request for anything in a test block so that if the object or method
does not return an expected value you handle the error and continue
processing.
This is not bad code but a bug in WindowEyes.
Their well may be a way around the quote no response by getting the
information from someplace else or by using some other feature of the third
party program but to lock up the screen reader because of a problem in a
third party program is a bug pure and simple.
I have said this when I analyzed a similar situation for Internet Explorer
11, your fault, my fault, nobodys fault just fix it AI Squared.
That means testing the objects and methods within a very short timed bcode
block or a try catch block or something to that effect and handling any
error message or no response situation in the WindowEyes program.
As for no response to AI Squared from third party vendors, you have a legal
department don't you - use them.
Rick USA

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Window-Eyes features

2016-02-28 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk 
Hello guys.  Has AI Squared staff ever considered, in the next version of
Window-Eyes, a feature that one other screen reader has? That feature is
called Virtual ribbons. What Virtual ribbons does is it makes the ribbons in
Microsoft office 2007 upwards into a menu bar.  That is a feature that every
screen reader should have. Window-Eyes should have a virtual ribbons like
feature.

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RE: There are at least four ways that screen readers determine what to speak in most cases Windows tells the screen reader that something happened on a window then then the screen reader asks the prog

2016-02-28 Thread Sky Mundell via Talk 
Hi Rick, and Jonathan, and everybody.  I personally haven't encountered
those lock-up problems that you guys are experiencing. As an adaptive
technology trainer working on a 6 month contract, ending in March, I have to
say I have been teaching Window-Eyes to sighted staff, and volunteers and
everything works like a charm with no hickups on their end.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:05 AM
To: 'Jonathan C. Cohn'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Manny'
Cc: 'WE SUPPORT'
Subject: RE: There are at least four ways that screen readers determine what
to speak in most cases Windows tells the screen reader that something
happened on a window then then the screen reader asks the program that owned
the window what happen? UIA is the most

Hi: Jonathan, looks like your message was blank.
The fact that WindowEyes can crash the system, lock it up, when no reply is
found from a called method or object is a bug in WindowEyes.
In programming, especially when programming against third party apps, you
put a request for anything in a test block so that if the object or method
does not return an expected value you handle the error and continue
processing.
This is not bad code but a bug in WindowEyes.
Their well may be a way around the quote no response by getting the
information from someplace else or by using some other feature of the third
party program but to lock up the screen reader because of a problem in a
third party program is a bug pure and simple.
I have said this when I analyzed a similar situation for Internet Explorer
11, your fault, my fault, nobodys fault just fix it AI Squared.
That means testing the objects and methods within a very short timed bcode
block or a try catch block or something to that effect and handling any
error message or no response situation in the WindowEyes program.
As for no response to AI Squared from third party vendors, you have a legal
department don't you - use them.
Rick USA

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Re: major thunderbird problems

2016-02-28 Thread Jim via Talk 

Hi there!
Try this, When your computer begins saying that gibberish, stop typing 
and press 'CTRL+SHFT+A'.  W.E. should  Make a clicking sound I believe 
it is assending clicks'.  This should illiminate your issue.  Since I am 
totally unable to duplicate your issue here I am only passing this a 
long as a suggestion.  Give it a try and see how it works.  Good Luck! de

.

On 27-Feb-16 11:05, Rick Jarvis via Talk wrote:
I am not sure what is happening with tb for you but I have had no 
problems and I am using the latest tb, and win-eyes 9.3.1  I am also 
using windows 10 64 bit.  I am not sure why you are having problems 
but you might want to call for tech help. Rick


On 2/24/2016 11:13 PM, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

guys, i can not deeal with this thunderbird problem.  There hss to be
something wrong.  It's virtually unusable.  Even after someone suggested
i downgrade, it's no better, in fact it's even worse.  I'll start typing
a message, and it just says stuff like no frame, not a valid key press.
  The only way to fix it is to turn browse mode off.  Why should i ahve
to do that, cause then i can't edit anything unless i turn browse mode
back on.  Why would it do this.  I'm typing best, i'm not even on a web
page.  Is anyone else having these issues with TB?Guy
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Re: There are at least four ways that screen readers determine what to speak in most cases Windows tells the screen reader that something happened on a window then then the screen reader asks the prog

2016-02-28 Thread Reg Webb via Talk 
Rick
The entire message was in the subject line. 
-- 
Reg


On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 05:04:47 -0500
Rick Thomas via Talk  wrote:

> Hi: Jonathan, looks like your message was blank.
> The fact that WindowEyes can crash the system, lock it up, when no reply is
> found from a called method or object is a bug in WindowEyes.
> In programming, especially when programming against third party apps, you
> put a request for anything in a test block so that if the object or method
> does not return an expected value you handle the error and continue
> processing.
> This is not bad code but a bug in WindowEyes.
> Their well may be a way around the quote no response by getting the
> information from someplace else or by using some other feature of the third
> party program but to lock up the screen reader because of a problem in a
> third party program is a bug pure and simple.
> I have said this when I analyzed a similar situation for Internet Explorer
> 11, your fault, my fault, nobodys fault just fix it AI Squared.
> That means testing the objects and methods within a very short timed bcode
> block or a try catch block or something to that effect and handling any
> error message or no response situation in the WindowEyes program.
> As for no response to AI Squared from third party vendors, you have a legal
> department don't you - use them.
> Rick USA
> 
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Dont include external list addresses in the to address

2016-02-28 Thread Rick Thomas via Talk 
Hi: I just responded to a message on this list and got a response from the
AI Squared support list.
Please don't include list addresses external to your own address or this
list in the to address when crafting a message since responding to your
message will then generate messages to inappropriate people for whom the
message was not (directly) intended.
I don't want to have to read every to address carefully when responding to a
list message and I don't have to do this on any other list I am on so please
have some list manners.
If it was an oversight, cool, that happens but if it was a way to push
messages to support that is an inappropriate use of the list me thinks.
Rick USA

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RE: There are at least four ways that screen readers determine what to speak in most cases Windows tells the screen reader that something happened on a window then then the screen reader asks the prog

2016-02-28 Thread Rick Thomas via Talk 
Hi: Jonathan, looks like your message was blank.
The fact that WindowEyes can crash the system, lock it up, when no reply is
found from a called method or object is a bug in WindowEyes.
In programming, especially when programming against third party apps, you
put a request for anything in a test block so that if the object or method
does not return an expected value you handle the error and continue
processing.
This is not bad code but a bug in WindowEyes.
Their well may be a way around the quote no response by getting the
information from someplace else or by using some other feature of the third
party program but to lock up the screen reader because of a problem in a
third party program is a bug pure and simple.
I have said this when I analyzed a similar situation for Internet Explorer
11, your fault, my fault, nobodys fault just fix it AI Squared.
That means testing the objects and methods within a very short timed bcode
block or a try catch block or something to that effect and handling any
error message or no response situation in the WindowEyes program.
As for no response to AI Squared from third party vendors, you have a legal
department don't you - use them.
Rick USA

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