RE: Weather or not issue
Good idea as I may have a copy on another Win 7 computer which I can copy from. -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 12:13 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Rod Hutton Subject: RE: Weather or not issue Hi Larry, I have the current versions of GW Toolkit, 8.6.8, as well as Weather or Not, 4.0.0. The app is working fine for me, giving me my current weather conditions. I tried adding your city, but I get the same error as you. I have tried looking at the code of the app, in the hope of determining and possibly changing the weather information server it uses. Unfortunately, the app is encrypted, making it impossible to do anything with it. Given that I can confirm that the app works, I can only suggest that if you ever used the app to get your local weather, see if you can find an old backup copy of the Weather Or Not ini file, and paste it into the Profile folder. The file you need is named weatherornot.ini, and, before pasting it into the Profiles folder, you should probably rename the current one to something like weatherornot.ini.current. Sorry I can't be of more help. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: February 2, 2019 1:44 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Weather or not issue OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for my problem, but here goes anyway. Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that nature. It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same error message. Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution. Hopefully, Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Frod_hutton%2540hotmail.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C71041e6ad77e4111c5ad08d6893e7bae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636847298787631875sdata=bICvgRHnaJFu%2FH6DUBkcNRraoT8b5zaeAfecihFTFEw%3Dreserved=0. For subscription options, visit https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C71041e6ad77e4111c5ad08d6893e7bae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636847298787631875sdata=x92J0tQFKhlKbw2FH4H777fSYiBV%2BrFmjO%2BTPZ67vyI%3Dreserved=0 List archives can be found at https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C71041e6ad77e4111c5ad08d6893e7bae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636847298787641892sdata=bBXdEIV1UafpS53E0vFNw9cdVg2A79QgniQwBPkDpko%3Dreserved=0 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/amandainparadise777%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Weather or not issue
Hi Larry, I have the current versions of GW Toolkit, 8.6.8, as well as Weather or Not, 4.0.0. The app is working fine for me, giving me my current weather conditions. I tried adding your city, but I get the same error as you. I have tried looking at the code of the app, in the hope of determining and possibly changing the weather information server it uses. Unfortunately, the app is encrypted, making it impossible to do anything with it. Given that I can confirm that the app works, I can only suggest that if you ever used the app to get your local weather, see if you can find an old backup copy of the Weather Or Not ini file, and paste it into the Profile folder. The file you need is named weatherornot.ini, and, before pasting it into the Profiles folder, you should probably rename the current one to something like weatherornot.ini.current. Sorry I can't be of more help. Good luck, Rod Sent from Outlook for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: February 2, 2019 1:44 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Weather or not issue OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for my problem, but here goes anyway. Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that nature. It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same error message. Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution. Hopefully, Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Frod_hutton%2540hotmail.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C71041e6ad77e4111c5ad08d6893e7bae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636847298787631875sdata=bICvgRHnaJFu%2FH6DUBkcNRraoT8b5zaeAfecihFTFEw%3Dreserved=0. For subscription options, visit https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C71041e6ad77e4111c5ad08d6893e7bae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636847298787631875sdata=x92J0tQFKhlKbw2FH4H777fSYiBV%2BrFmjO%2BTPZ67vyI%3Dreserved=0 List archives can be found at https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.comdata=02%7C01%7C%7C71041e6ad77e4111c5ad08d6893e7bae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636847298787641892sdata=bBXdEIV1UafpS53E0vFNw9cdVg2A79QgniQwBPkDpko%3Dreserved=0 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Jaws List?
Hi Robert, here it is copied from the homepage. The directive dress to join the group. And I will also place the link to the homepage in the messages well. jaws-users-list+subscr...@groups.io https://groups.io/g/jaws-users-list > On Feb 2, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk > wrote: > > Lloyd, > > I cannot get subscribed to the jaws list below. Are you sure that it is > correct? > > -Bob > > > -Original Message- From: Loy Green via Talk > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 2:47 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: Loy Green > Subject: Re: Jaws List? > > I have been a long time user of WE as well and still use it a lot, but also > am using JAWS. It took me a while to learn. Here is subscription address for > one of the JAWS users groups. > jaws-users-list+subscr...@groups.io > - Original Message - From: Robert Ringwald via Talk > To: Talk > Cc: Robert Ringwald > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 3:38 PM > Subject: Jaws List? > > > I finally succumbed. Since WE is no longer supported, I figured that I had > better get Jaws while the gettin' is good. > > Since I had the latest version of WE with 2 SMAs, I got Jaws for free. > > What is the email list for Jaws? > > -Bob Ringwald > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rs%40ringwald.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jhud7789%40twc.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Weather or not issue
Well Amanda, I just found my zipped file of WE apps, installed the GWToolkit, closed out WE, started it up again, and still no go. I'm not sure of the date on this on either, but it's all I've got available to me. As far as I know, this is the latest. On 2/2/2019 2:59 PM, Amanda Lee via Talk wrote: I'm referring to the GwToolkit The files unfortunately take on the current date in my windows 10 system so I am not certain of their original dates. My file for Weather or not -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 3:04 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen Subject: Re: Weather or not issue My Weatherornot files are from May 6 of 2016. Or are you talking about the GWToolkit? Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Amanda Lee via Talk Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 2:31 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Amanda Lee Subject: RE: Weather or not issue I have exactly the same issue after reinstalling window-Eyes. Weather Or Not does require GW Toolkit. I notice in the About info, that it says it's from 2008. I wonder if this is the correct version? If not,then hope I can find the appropriate one somewhere. I really miss this App too! Kind regards, Amanda Lee -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Weather or not issue OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for my problem, but here goes anyway. Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that nature. It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same error message. Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution. Hopefully, Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/amandainparadi se777%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lras%40sprynet .com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/amandainparadi se777%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/larryhiggins22%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Jaws List?
Lloyd, I cannot get subscribed to the jaws list below. Are you sure that it is correct? -Bob -Original Message- From: Loy Green via Talk Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 2:47 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Loy Green Subject: Re: Jaws List? I have been a long time user of WE as well and still use it a lot, but also am using JAWS. It took me a while to learn. Here is subscription address for one of the JAWS users groups. jaws-users-list+subscr...@groups.io - Original Message - From: Robert Ringwald via Talk To: Talk Cc: Robert Ringwald Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 3:38 PM Subject: Jaws List? I finally succumbed. Since WE is no longer supported, I figured that I had better get Jaws while the gettin' is good. Since I had the latest version of WE with 2 SMAs, I got Jaws for free. What is the email list for Jaws? -Bob Ringwald --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rs%40ringwald.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Weather or not issue
I'm referring to the GwToolkit The files unfortunately take on the current date in my windows 10 system so I am not certain of their original dates. My file for Weather or not -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 3:04 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen Subject: Re: Weather or not issue My Weatherornot files are from May 6 of 2016. Or are you talking about the GWToolkit? Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Amanda Lee via Talk Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 2:31 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Amanda Lee Subject: RE: Weather or not issue I have exactly the same issue after reinstalling window-Eyes. Weather Or Not does require GW Toolkit. I notice in the About info, that it says it's from 2008. I wonder if this is the correct version? If not,then hope I can find the appropriate one somewhere. I really miss this App too! Kind regards, Amanda Lee -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Weather or not issue OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for my problem, but here goes anyway. Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that nature. It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same error message. Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution. Hopefully, Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/amandainparadi se777%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lras%40sprynet .com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/amandainparadi se777%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Weather or not issue
My Weatherornot files are from May 6 of 2016. Or are you talking about the GWToolkit? Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Amanda Lee via Talk Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 2:31 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Amanda Lee Subject: RE: Weather or not issue I have exactly the same issue after reinstalling window-Eyes. Weather Or Not does require GW Toolkit. I notice in the About info, that it says it's from 2008. I wonder if this is the correct version? If not,then hope I can find the appropriate one somewhere. I really miss this App too! Kind regards, Amanda Lee -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Weather or not issue OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for my problem, but here goes anyway. Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that nature. It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same error message. Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution. Hopefully, Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/amandainparadise777%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lras%40sprynet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Weather or not issue
I have exactly the same issue after reinstalling window-Eyes. Weather Or Not does require GW Toolkit. I notice in the About info, that it says it's from 2008. I wonder if this is the correct version? If not,then hope I can find the appropriate one somewhere. I really miss this App too! Kind regards, Amanda Lee -Original Message- From: Talk On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 1:44 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Larry Higgins Subject: Weather or not issue OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for my problem, but here goes anyway. Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that nature. It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same error message. Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution. Hopefully, Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/amandainparadise777%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Weather or not issue
OK, I'm probably not ging to get any good news regarding a solution for my problem, but here goes anyway. Just yesterday, I decided I would like to add Albuquerque, NM to my list of weather conditions around the country, but when either entering the city, state, and country, or zip code, I get a message saying something along the lines of "can't fine the city," or something of that nature. It doesn't matter just what city or zip code I type in, I get the same error message. Is this a permanent issue, or might there be a solution. Hopefully, Larry ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
