RE: Hello group, it's late, but I am just winding it up for the day. Gladto be here.

[Chris via Talk]

Welcome to the list!!!



From: Mike Boyd via Talk
Sent: 10 May 2016 08:41
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Hello group, it's late, but I am just winding it up for the day. 
Gladto be here.

My name is Michael, and I am brand new to Window Eyes. I hope to learn a lot 
from this list, andto be able to use Window Eyes as well as I can Jaws. I 
really know nothing of the program yet, but I will be reading some instruction 
on it and learning as I go along. Hopefully, it will not be long before I am 
helping others on this list with their issues with the program. I have over 35 
years experience using a computer, and have become pretty well versed in the 
inner workings of them over the past decade. Thanks for accepting me into the 
group, I am sure that it will be a good experience.

Michael
mike122...@outlook.com

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Re: Virtual View, OCR and Ebay CAPTCHAS

[chris via Talk]

Captchas are deliberately designed to illude OCR software otherwise no 
end of spammers or hackers would correctly guess the captchas and go 
about their malicious businesses.


On 09/11/2015 17:15, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:

Hi all
If I ask a question about an Ebay item, I sometimes get asked to solve a
CAPTCHA before I can send my question to the seller.
The fact that this doesn't always happen may make it harder to answer my
question.  However, if you have encountered this, have you managed to
resolve the "numbers in the image" with W-E's Virtual View?
With the Windows TIF filter installed, W-E says "no text found".  Has
anyone else made this work? If so how please..


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Re: Open Office and Windows 10

[chris via Talk]

OpenOffice is about the best you will get as far as open source office 
software and screen reader compatibility.


On 09/11/2015 18:04, Martha Reaney via Talk wrote:

Hi.

I am trying to avoid MS Office.  The only thing that I need is a simple 
spreadsheet program.  Is Open Office screen-reader friendly?  Are there any 
other simple spreadsheet programs that anyone can recommend?

Thanks.

Martha
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Virtual View and PDFs

[chris via Talk]

Hi all

I just received a scanned PDF document which I tested with Virtual View. 
All I got in the recognized text was one line along with the "begin 
image" and "end image" messages. Yet the document could be read in full 
using the KNFB Reader iOS app on my iPhone 5s. For reasons of 
confidentiality I will be unable to sendthe document for analysis. But 
my feeling is Virtual View cannot yet handle complex PDF documents, such 
as those containing tables or other text formatting or styles. Just an 
observation.

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Re: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

[chris via Talk]

Mine is Windows 10 64 bit.

On 05/11/2015 19:22, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote:

Martin and others who are not able to get the Virtual View OCR function to work 
correctly on images or image based PDFs, what operating system are you using?
Thanks,
Marc

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Martin Thomas Swaton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 9:43 AM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

hi,
still the question, what can I do to make the images recognized that are
not processed in my pdf files?
Yes, as suggested I did now open via the vv itself - but the two files,
that where scanned with my scanner still say: "no text found" but there
is text and all other ocr applications I ever tried could process them.

Any settings I can change ?
Hope there are some hints I can try.
Cheers
Martin


Am 05.11.2015 um 15:01 schrieb Aaron Smith via Talk:

It's there so nobody can say, "Why can't I virtualize a text file?" 

Aaron



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Re: A Lack In Virtual View

[chris via Talk]

And has anyone thought that this could be very useful in programs like 
Vmware where the virtual machine's monitor so to speak is printed as an 
image? So you could do an alt-print screen to capture the image, as 
always, then Virtual View with its cool new OCR functionality will kick 
in and recognize the captured image. This way one could bypass Windows 
and Linux Easy Installs and install the guest operating systems 
manually! Just a very good example of the convenience of alt-print 
screen and Virtual View's cool new OCR functionality!


On 05/11/2015 17:28, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:

I should point out that Alt-Print Screen is nothing more than a convenience. 
And optional feature, if you will. It has no bearing on the core functionality 
of Virtual View. We just thought it'd be a nice addition. The core 
functionality of Virtual View involves launching Virtual View, and either 
selecting a window or file to virtualize. That hasn't changed, except for the 
addition of being able to select files instead of windows. The only reason we 
piggy-backed on Alt-Print Screen is because, as Tom mentioned, it's an 
operating system hotkey that generates an image. Why not, then, offer the 
ability to OCR that image what with the new OCR functionality. Again, Alt-Print 
Screen has nothing to do with whether or not Virtual View works. Alt-Print 
screen is just so you can OCR the active window easily. It's a convenience 
thing.

Thanks,

Aaron



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Re: virtual view OCR?

[chris via Talk]

Hi wouldn't the reset settings button found in options do the same?

On 05/11/2015 19:55, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

For those of you who lost the Virtual view window:
Open the Window-Eyes control panel.
Alt-A Apps.
Enter on App management.
P to open App manager.
V to go to the VirtualView app in the list.
Alt-T to stop the app. You should hear, "App stopped."
Escape out of that dialog but remain in the Window-Eyes control panel.
Alt-F File and E to Explore profile folder.
Enter "vi" to jump to the VirtualView files.
Rename VirtualView.ini to VirtualView.ini.bak.
Close Explorer and you should land back in the Window-Eyes control panel.
Go back into Apps, App management, App manager, VirtualView, and Alt-T
to start it up again.
This will rebuild the .ini file with the default settings.

Hth,
Tom


On 11/5/2015 2:33 PM, Josh K via Talk wrote:

me too. whether that box is checked or unchecked the dialog asking me if
i want to do OCR or read a file and stuff is not showing up at all. when
i hit control alt v it just throws me into the dialog with the read only
edit box with what is on the screen or in the currently active window.

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 11/5/2015 2:21 PM, chris wrote:

I have this also, and at my end prompt for window type appears to be
checked.

On 05/11/2015 16:10, Josh K via Talk wrote:

also i did something and now when i hit control alt v it just brings up
the edit box with the screen text, the dialog to pick a file or OCR is
not showing up anymore. do I have to completely uninstall and reinstall
the addon including the .ini file?

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 11/5/2015 8:15 AM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Josh,

The File button opens a new window with a standard file open dialog.
You can open basically any type of file. But typically you'll use it
to open a PDF that is a scanned image or has images with text amid the
normal text. Aaron also gave examples of images embedded in Word
documents, spread sheets and Power Point presentations. You can also
open all the types of image files listed in the release notes.

Hth,
Tom


On 11/5/2015 7:41 AM, Josh K via Talk wrote:

whatever technology they use for OCR it seems to be just as good as
jaws. NVDA OCR is not as good as window-eyes OCR though just from
playing around with it. also what does the file button do, and what
kind
of files will it recognise?

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 11/4/2015 10:18 PM, Aaron Smith wrote:

Nope. The same technology exists in Windows 7, too. And Windows 8.

Aaron

-Original Message-
From: Josh K [mailto:joshknnd1...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:21 PM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: virtual view OCR?

ah so this OCR only works in windows10 then?

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 11/4/2015 8:45 PM, Aaron Smith wrote:

Hi, Josh.

Virtual View takes builds on the Windows TIFF IFilter interface,
which is built into the operating system. This is the same system
used by Cortana in Windows 10. You can read more here:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd834685.aspx

Thanks,

Aaron

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Subject: virtual view OCR?

hey what OCR engine does the new virtual view use? whatever it
is it
is very very good.

josh

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Virtual View 5.0

[chris via Talk]

Just got the word out there for the new or updated app depending on 
circumstances. Window-Eyes has just become even more useful and all the 
more reasons to at least use it part time. Thank you Gw Micro/Ai Squared 
for a job well done!

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Re: virtual view OCR?

[chris via Talk]

I have this also, and at my end prompt for window type appears to be 
checked.


On 05/11/2015 16:10, Josh K via Talk wrote:

also i did something and now when i hit control alt v it just brings up
the edit box with the screen text, the dialog to pick a file or OCR is
not showing up anymore. do I have to completely uninstall and reinstall
the addon including the .ini file?

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 11/5/2015 8:15 AM, Tom Kingston wrote:

Josh,

The File button opens a new window with a standard file open dialog.
You can open basically any type of file. But typically you'll use it
to open a PDF that is a scanned image or has images with text amid the
normal text. Aaron also gave examples of images embedded in Word
documents, spread sheets and Power Point presentations. You can also
open all the types of image files listed in the release notes.

Hth,
Tom


On 11/5/2015 7:41 AM, Josh K via Talk wrote:

whatever technology they use for OCR it seems to be just as good as
jaws. NVDA OCR is not as good as window-eyes OCR though just from
playing around with it. also what does the file button do, and what kind
of files will it recognise?

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 11/4/2015 10:18 PM, Aaron Smith wrote:

Nope. The same technology exists in Windows 7, too. And Windows 8.

Aaron

-Original Message-
From: Josh K [mailto:joshknnd1...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:21 PM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: virtual view OCR?

ah so this OCR only works in windows10 then?

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 11/4/2015 8:45 PM, Aaron Smith wrote:

Hi, Josh.

Virtual View takes builds on the Windows TIFF IFilter interface,
which is built into the operating system. This is the same system
used by Cortana in Windows 10. You can read more here:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd834685.aspx

Thanks,

Aaron

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 6:07 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: virtual view OCR?

hey what OCR engine does the new virtual view use? whatever it is it
is very very good.

josh

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Re: test

[chris via Talk]

The list was certainly alive yesterday what with the announcement of 
Virtual View 5.0.


On 06/11/2015 02:35, Jim via Talk wrote:

What happened to this list? I haven't received anything from this list
for several days? Can someone tell me?
THANKS de

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OCR was Re: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

[chris via Talk]

Just an FYI, there are mainstream OCR programs as well such as Abbyy 
Finereader and OmniPage. I know OpenBook was used as an example, but 
just setting the record straight in case you think OCR is a blindie 
thing when actually it isn't!


On 05/11/2015 13:20, Michael Massey via Talk wrote:

Hi, Mike.  O c r stands for optical character recognition.  When you use a
scanner and scanning software such as Open Book, the scanned document is
read by the speech synthesizer built into the scanning software.  The
software uses the o c r and converts it to speech.  I'm no geek, so if any
others wish to jump in here and correct me, or perhaps explain things even
better than I have tried to, I'm all ears, and I hope you are all ears as
well, Mike, smile.

Mike M.

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Re: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

[chris via Talk]

I don't know but well why not? Perhaps it's there for convenience.

On 05/11/2015 12:53, gosselin_louis via Talk wrote:

And a second question:  Why would I want to virtualize something as basic as
a .txt file?

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On Behalf Of Aaron Smith via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 3:34 PM
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Subject: Introducing Virtual View 5.0

Virtual View 5.0 now supports exciting new features such as the ability to
OCR images from files or the screen, plus virtualizing various document
formats, including PDF files. Here are some other features:

* You can open an image in any format (jpg, bmp, png, tiff,
etc.).
* If you press Alt-Print Screen to capture the active window,
Virtual View will automatically OCR it for you.
* The Virtual View options dialog lets you control image
manipulation to increase OCR success.
* Supports UAC, allowing you to get contents (specifically UIA)
from windows that are elevated.

* Images inside PDF files are prepended with [BEGIN
IMAGE] and appended with [END IMAGE].
* You can choose several different kinds of file formats to
virtualize, including:

* Txt

* Html

* Xml

* Zip

* And if you have Office installed:

?  Docx

?  Xlsx

?  Pptx

Imagine a Word document filled with text boxes and word art. That
information will show up as plain text when passed through Virtual View.
Spreadsheets and PowerPoint presentations are the same way. If you want to
quickly skim a PowerPoint presentation without opening PowerPoint, use
Virtual View.

With zip files, Virtual View can open the zip file and get the text of all
text files. At the very least, you can get a list of the files in the
archive.

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Re: virtual view OCR?

[chris via Talk]

Apparently it uses the TIF image filtering engine that comes with all 
versions of Windows from XP to 10 however because of no official support 
for XP as far as Window-Eyes and indeed this app is concerned it hasn't 
been tested in-house.


On 05/11/2015 12:41, Josh K via Talk wrote:

whatever technology they use for OCR it seems to be just as good as
jaws. NVDA OCR is not as good as window-eyes OCR though just from
playing around with it. also what does the file button do, and what kind
of files will it recognise?

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 11/4/2015 10:18 PM, Aaron Smith wrote:

Nope. The same technology exists in Windows 7, too. And Windows 8.

Aaron

-Original Message-
From: Josh K [mailto:joshknnd1...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 9:21 PM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: virtual view OCR?

ah so this OCR only works in windows10 then?

follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982

On 11/4/2015 8:45 PM, Aaron Smith wrote:

Hi, Josh.

Virtual View takes builds on the Windows TIFF IFilter interface,
which is built into the operating system. This is the same system
used by Cortana in Windows 10. You can read more here:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd834685.aspx

Thanks,

Aaron

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+asmith=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh K via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 6:07 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: virtual view OCR?

hey what OCR engine does the new virtual view use? whatever it is it
is very very good.

josh

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Re: good messenger clients for facebook

[chris via Talk]

That's appalling. Instantbird works fine with NVDA and I believe JAWS> 
If I am bashing Gw Micro then advanced apologies, but I'm in the belief 
that programs like Instantbird should be equally accessible across all 
screen readers. Once again Window-Eyes users are left out in the cold. I 
know there are alternatives like Miranda, but you gotta admit, 
Instantbird is a snap to use and configure!


On 25/10/2015 22:05, Jed Barton via Talk wrote:

Hey guys.

Well, i need some suggestins.  Iws anyone using any messenger client
successfully?  I have been using a program called instant byrd until
window-eyes 9.2, and now the accessibility is completely broken.  I'm
quite discouraged to say the least, cause i rely on this ehavily. Anyone
using anything successfully with the latest window-eyes?
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Re: Social-Eyes no longer needed

[chris via Talk]

I don't think it's needed anymore either. We have the mobile site and 
for those with iOS devices at least the official Facebook app.


On 23/10/2015 06:02, Dennis via Talk wrote:

I wouldn't say it's not needed anymore.  It's still better then the FB site.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:48 PM
To: Talk 
Subject: Social-Eyes no longer needed

Social-Eyes served as an interim solution to access to Facebook.  But, now
the access group at Facebook is working with GW Micro developers to make
Facebook accessible directly with Window-Eyes.  We should thank the Facebook
developers and those at AI Squared for joint commitment to make Facebook and
its many features directly accessible via our favorite screen reader.

Peter Duran

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Re: window eyes 9.2 demo in windows 10

[chris via Talk]

Well do you have Office 2010 or later including 365? If so, save your 
money and download the free Window-Eyes for Office here

www.windoweyesforoffice.com



On 17/10/2015 06:59, amit aggarwal via Talk wrote:

hello all,
I want to buy window eyes, but before buying I wanted to make sure
that I'm really
buying something that can full fill my computer needs.
I downloaded window eyes 9.2 demo in my windows 10  computer.on the
website, they said that it will work for 60 days.
but when I installed window eyes, it is saying in less then 5 minutes
window eyes will be completely shut down.
I thought restarting pc would help. after restarting it worked fine but
when it was about half hour it started saying in less then 5 minutes
window eyes will be completely shut down.
do anyone have any idea what is happening with me?
can somebody please hint me in right direction?
regards,
amit
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Figuring out poorly designed order form.

[Chris via Talk]

I was wondering if anyone might know of a way to look at the code of a page and 
determine what information one is supposed to put in the edit boxes of the 
poorly designed site.

If you go to check out, the only lines that show up for shipping are an 
unlabelled edit box that sometimes has a zero in it and a pair of drop down 
boxes, one set to United States and the other to the first state 
alphabetically, Alabama I think.

Other boxes appear as one tabs through the page, I am sure they are for 
address, email and so on, but none are labelled.

The billing section is similar, with a line of labelled boxes for one to enter 
the credit card security code and drop down boxes for entering expiration date 
and a couple of unlabelled edit boxes.

I am hoping that there might be a way to fill out the rest of the form, but I 
have no idea of how to check out the pages’ code.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am accessing the site on a Windows 7 
64-bit desktop with Window-Eyes 9.2 and with Internet Explorer 11. I tried 
Firefox with no luck, but I use the last FF to be compatible with mouse key 
navigation because that is the only way I know of to access things like color 
and size selection on sites like amazon. I’ve never used Chrome, so I don’t 
know if it might work better.

If anyone cares to check out the cart system, feel free.  but one has to fill 
out their profile for the person the subscription is meant for. and even if one 
just randomly creates a profile, there are over 100 items, so I didn’t think 
anyone would care to go that far. Here is the link:
https://yourtoybox.cratejoy.com/subscribe/18719037_YOUR%2BToy%2BBox/18719038_Month+to+Month?next_stage=survey

Thanks,

chris
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How is iTunes doing with WE 9.2?

[Chris via Talk]

I am one of those holdouts who has been avoiding losing my sidebar by upgrading 
to the latest iTunes. Unfortunately, I am hoping to own one or more new gadgets 
soon that will require me to bite the bullet and learn the iTunes 12 for 
Windows interface. 

So, how do things stand now with the latest itunes and Window Eyes 9.2? I am 
trying to decide between holding out as long as possible and waiting to update 
until I have the new iOS device or whether I should just update and start 
learning how to use the new version so that I am used to it when I have to 
learn the ins and outs of a new device. Opinions? Am I the last iTunes 11 
holdout?

Thanks,

Chris
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Re: accessing what used to be the charms bar in windows 8.1 in windows 10

[Chris via Talk]

Hi it's gone. Supposedly right clicking on the title brings up the menu 
now. Not sure if this is accessible.


On 11/08/2015 19:18, Paul Faucheux via Talk wrote:

Hi this is paul 
faucheux with a question. How does 1 access the menue that is in the top left 
corner of the title bar of an modern windows store app in windows 10? I am 
using we 9.2 and I cant access this menue when using the keyboard. If any one 
can help please email at pf112...@gmail.com thanks.  

Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: you will upgrade!!lol

[Chris via Talk]

Hi my goodness! Can't believe some won't upgrade until the bugs and 
glitches have been ironed out! That will never happen in reality. All 
OSs' have bugs and glitches, even Apple's own offerings smile.


On 09/08/2015 01:36, Sue J Ward via Talk wrote:

  Hello. Thanks so much for the info. It is good stuff. As for me am
going to wait for a while before upgrading, probably upgrade around
Christmas time. Heck Santa has to keep up with all of his lists and
stuff sure he has to upgrade if he is going to use the latest version
just to keep track of it all.

On 8/8/2015 5:26 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:

Exactly the next office 2016 I don't think will  run on windows 7 as
it will
be taking advantage of touch an that's only on modern devices which
had 8.1
and windows 10. So whether you like it or not you will have to
upgrade if
you need to take advantage of modern apps that wont run on windows 7 but
will on windows 8.1 and windows 10.  So take advantage of it while you
can
after 2016 windows 10 will cost you $119 for home and $199 for pro
editions.
Just letting you guys know. while you have the chance to update for
free I
would do so.

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[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:11 AM
To: Gary Petraccaro garypet...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

like it or not you will be forced to upgrade if you want to use any new
software. more and more  companies are switching over to app only
versions
that won't run on windows 7. even though microsoft will support it until
2020.


-Original Message-
From: Gary Petraccaro via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:30 AM
To: Sunshine ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

I don't see being forced unless you need to.  You may decide to change
when
there's hardware that only the new OS can use.  You might decide to
switch
when a program which requires the OS comes out.  Otherwise, as long as
your
hardware works and your software doesn't need upgrading and you can
keep the
system protected, there's no real reason to move.

- Original Message -
From: Sunshine via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com; Chris challswor...@icloud.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol



So what you are saying is no matter if a person wanted to stay with

windows 7

microsfoft will force everyone to upgrade to windows 10 then is this

correct?

can this be confirmed?

On 8/3/2015 1:45 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there!
I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP
to Win

7.

As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on several

systems

with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking forward to
upgrading to

Win

10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever that my be worth these days!
Thanks  73 de
KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail:wohlg...@gmail.com

On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:

Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:

Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to upgraded
again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to
win

7

and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples
pcb#0;s.
LOL
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Window Eyes 9.2 locks up on this page

[Chris via Talk]

https://popinabox.co.uk/

All of the rest of the page that I have tried has worked, but if you click on 
the link “Pop Tracker” and then click on the link “Wishlist”, Window Eyes will 
lock up and often requires multiple attempts to shut it down and restart before 
speech will return. Usually, if I can get the instance of IE with the Wishlist 
in it to close, I can get Window Eyes to start up again. All of this is on a 
Windows 7 64-bit system using IE 11 and Window Eyes 9.2. Any help solving this 
issue would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris
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Re: Microsoft rule

[Chris via Talk]

Good idea, although the bugs present are mainly to do with privacy 
rather than anyting else. By default all new and upgraded Windows 10 
installations will have all privacy settings on unless you choose the 
custom settings option during set up or you go into settings later on. 
But the privacy settings are scattered all over the place and so it's 
easier to turn them off during setup. I call this a bug since these 
should be off, not on, by default.


On 08/08/2015 04:17, Karyn Campbell via Talk wrote:

Hello all,

In this house we observe the Microsoft rule which means we don't upgrade any
Microsoft OS for at least six months after it comes out.  This gives the
first adopters time to find the bugs and for Microsoft to clean them up and
make the software more stable.

Anything that is initially released by Microsoft is usually buggy, thus the
reason for waiting at least six months after release.

Some food for thought.

Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com
Using WE 9.2  on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium 64-bit
with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7  home
premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 11 and Microsoft Windows Defender
onAcer netbook as well as Macaffee Live Safe on HP Pavilion.

Support the Illinois Council of the Blind at our GoFundMe page:
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Re: WINDOWS EDGE OR INTERNET EXPLORER

[Chris via Talk]

Hi Edge is accessible until it comes to browsing web pages. It can be 
done though but there will be no virtual cursor to interact with. This 
will get better over time and the next update to NVDA, 2015.3, will have 
experimental support.


On 08/08/2015 01:29, Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk wrote:

Yeah,

I've heard the same thing.  I hear it's not very accessible, if even at
all.

Chris.
- Original Message - From: Jo Taliaferro via Talk
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: 'stephen thacker' steve.thac...@btinternet.com; 'Window-Eyes
Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 7:28 PM
Subject: RE: WINDOWS EDGE OR INTERNET EXPLORER



I don't think Edge is accessible yet.  It was rolled out at the last
minute
and the tutorials I've looked at encourage the use of IE.  I hope that
helps.  Shingles???  Yuck!  I hope you are on the up side of that.  Good
luck.

Jo Taliaferro

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Behalf Of stephen thacker via Talk
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 6:20 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: WINDOWS EDGE OR INTERNET EXPLORER

Hi, what are the differences between the two internet apps, is Edge as
easy
as ie, is Edge more complicated to use and if I wanted IE, how do I
ensure I
get using onend not the other?

I'm recovering from Shingles so please be delicate with me.

Thanks, Steve
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Re: downgrading to window-eyes 9.1

[Chris via Talk]

Hi I am sorry if I go on a rant here. You see this is my gripe with GW 
Micro. they never offer older versions. As with any other company they 
like you to be on the latest and greatest and stick with that unless you 
have an older version somewhere from a backup. Gw Micro does not offer 
older versions, never did and probably never will. Now with FS and 
NVaccess, they both provide older versions of their screen readers on 
their website. This is good as people like you can downgrade should they 
wish. But no Gw Micro won't do that; they expect you to be on the latest 
and greatest. Again sorry if this comes out as a rant and am sorry to be 
harsh. I'm trying not to bash anyone either. I'm just offering my £0.02 
worth. Good luck on getting your copy of 9.1 because you will need it.


On 03/08/2015 23:05, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:

Hi guys

After today, I think it might be a wise idea to downgrade to Window-eyes
9.1.  Here's the issue though.  I seem to have misplaced my 9.1 upgrade
file. I do have a9.0 cd.  Is there any way of getting ahold of a 9.1
upgrade file?  I can certainly uninstall and re-install Window-eyes, but
I'd like to go back to 9.1.  You'll have to forgive me if this seems
obvious but I've never had to do this sort of thing before.  This is the
first time i've ever had an issue like this.
Thanks, guys.




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Re: Why Upgrade

[Chris via Talk]

Well if you want to update now try the Media Creation Tool and use the 
upgrade this PC option.


On 03/08/2015 03:26, gary melconian via Talk wrote:

I don't know but windows 8 and 8.1 there is a big advantage to update as
those version of windows 8 are the  reasons why enterprise did not update in
the first place.so I am one of those who has windows 8.1 on two laptop
machines an plans to update as soon as I can when I get the notification
from Microsoft to update.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 8:27 AM
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Subject: Why Upgrade

 What are the advantages to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10?

Pastor Gil
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Re: you will upgrade!!lol

[Chris via Talk]

Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:

Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to upgraded again and 
again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to win 7 and 
only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples pc’s. LOL
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Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

[Chris via Talk]

Hi there are not 13 pages I would say 2 unless it was because I wasn't 
online at the time. For those who are concerned with privacy then my 
response would be to not use any computer or device and if you do don't 
connect them to the internet.


On 03/08/2015 15:49, Dennis via Talk wrote:

I don't like how much information windows 10 tries to get.  I'll be sticking
to windows7 as long as possible.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 12:41 AM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

one thing everyone should do when they install windows 10 is do not use the
quick setup. use custom. then you will see 13 pages of privacy options you
can opt out of.
if you use the quick setup all of these options will be turned on by
default. i got this from the leo leport web page.



-Original Message-
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To: gosselin_louis ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

Windows 10 and the new Browser supposedly gives Microsoft much more feed
back as to how you use the computer, where you go on the web, what you do
when you are there, and what you buy.  I imagine anything written in MS
Office, whether it be a Spread Sheet, or a Document, is probably available
to those who wish to view the contents of these files.

If you own a Small business, you might wish to keep some things of your
business privet.   do you really want a flood of Bankruptcy lawyers
sending you their Electronic Business Cards, letting you know, their
Services are available?   All because someone was able to peek at your
Quick Book files?

or maybe you were stupid enough to buy some Sex Toy On Line, and now an ad
pops up when your best friend, who is a bad Gossiper,  is borrowing your lap
top to do some work of his own.

Or maybe your friend writes a fiery letter off to a Politician, but because
it was written on your machine, those watchers think you are the one who
wrote the nasty letter, and not your friend.

We are edging more and more into a culture where everyone has to be careful
about what they say, and to who you say it.  Even though some much is said
about being Tolerant, I find today there is less and less tolerance.

when using your computer, always, and I do mean, always have the
understanding, that nothing on it, and anything you do on it, could be seen
by someone else.  big Brother is watching, and has been watching, and
probably lots of Little Brothers too.

If you want real privacy, but still want to use the computer, guess you will
need to have two systems.  One that is hooked up to the internet, and
another that is not, and never will be.

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Re: lag in file explorer in Windows 10

[Chris via Talk]

It's a rebranded version of Windows Explorer introduced in Windows 8 and 
8.1. It uses the ribbon instead of menus and toolbars.


On 01/08/2015 23:13, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:

Hi

Ok, i'm still running Windows 7.  I don't mean to sound silly, but is
file explorer something new in Windows 10, or is this just another name
for windows explorer? I just wanted to clarify a bit.  i think, given
the sluggishness some people are experiencing that i'll be staying with
Windows 7 at least for a while yet.



On 8/1/2015 5:46 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:

Still trying to figure this lag problem out with file explorer and
Windows 10.
Here is a little discovery.  Lets say I go to my documents.  It has a
lot of entries.  If I press enter on my documents then press the down
arrow fairly quickly I get nothing.  If I press the my documents
button then wait several seconds before hitting the down arrow I can
then read the entries.  Still a little lag between down arrow and
speech but much improved.  Sighted help tells me just as soon as I
press the my documents button the screen is populated with all its
entries but it must be a case of We not having access to them as
quickly.  Any ideas of how to resolve this would be great.  Even more
evidence to this as being the issue is if lets say you open another
category such as downloads where the list of entries is smaller you
don't have to wait as long to begin pressing the down arrow and
getting speech.  Don't remember this being this way in Win 7 or Win 8.1.
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Re: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks Chris.

[Chris via Talk]

Cortana is what Siri is but on the Windows platform. Ask a question, she 
will respond back. You get the idea.


On 02/08/2015 19:25, Paulette Vickery via Talk wrote:

Hi Kevin,

Tell me more about Cortana. What is she and what can she do well for blind
people? I know that she is really an it, but the name sounds like a she, so
I like to think of her as such. Smile.

Paulette

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Kevin Minor via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 7:11 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks Chris.

Hi all.



I want to thank Chris for the instructions to get rid of the Windows
password.  I now can have Windows 10 boot directly to the desktop.  It takes
a while to get there, but eventually it does.  Cortana works great!



Just for your information, and thanks again, Chris.



Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Re: Why Upgrade

[Chris via Talk]

Hi after the upgrade, go into settings  update and security  recovery 
and choose to go back to your previous version, 8.1 being my previous 
version. You have 30 days from the date of the upgrade to do this.


On 02/08/2015 19:40, Paulette Vickery via Talk wrote:

The biggest advantage is that it is free. Just because you upgrade doesn't
mean that you have to use it. You can save your current Windows version,
delete Windows 10, put your old Windows version back on and continue using
it if you want to. After 1 year Windows 10 will have a price. Of course, I
don't know how to do this process, but I am sure that someone on this list
can tell you how to do it. As for me, my husband is a Manager of Information
Systems, so I know that he will do it for me. Smile.

Paulette

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On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
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Subject: Why Upgrade

 What are the advantages to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10?

Pastor Gil
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Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

[Chris via Talk]

My response? If you are so concerned with privacy, switch everything off 
including your internet, computers and devices and so on.


On 01/08/2015 00:34, tchild via Talk wrote:

Big Brother is watching!!! Is USA the new commies on the block?

-Original Message- From: Sunshine via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 5:38 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

are you willing to give up your privacy for windows 10?
http://betanews.com/2015/07/31/the-real-price-of-windows-10-is-your-privacy/


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Re: office 2013

[Chris via Talk]

Yes, but you can also buy a boxed copy to use on one PC.

On 01/08/2015 00:12, Butch K via Talk wrote:

Hello, is microsoft office 2013 a program you have to pay for annually, or can 
you buy a copy from the store, install it, and that's it? I was told I would 
have to pay a subscription fee of over a hundred dollars a year, every year. Is 
this true? Thanks.

Butch

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Re: A complaint and observation of Cortana.

[Chris via Talk]

You may be able to resolve the latter issue by:

1. In a run dialogue box or command prompt, type
control userpasswords2
and press enter.

2. Uncheck the checkbox that reads, users must enter a username and 
password and click ok.


3. Type the password for your account and press enter.



On 01/08/2015 20:57, Kevin Minor via Talk wrote:

Hi.



First, I'm going to do my subject in the reverse order.  I had trouble
setting up Cortana, and I had to call Microsoft Accessibility to get it
working.  I was using JAWS to do this, and it wasn't reading the screen.  I
decided to check the screen with Window-Eyes, and it read it with no
problem.  So, at least for me, Window-Eyes does something JAWS doesn't.



Now for my complaint.  If you use Cortana, you have to have a password to
sign into Windows, at least that's what I was told.  I'd rather have Windows
boot up directly to the desktop.  Oh well.  Microsoft has its reasons for
doing things the way they do.



Just some information for you.



Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Re: first impressions of Win 10

[Chris via Talk]

Wonder why? If it was me I would get it while it's free. You have a year 
as of Wednesday to do this.


On 31/07/2015 18:20, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

So far, I haven't noticed sluggishness in 9.2, but I agree with you
about waiting to get windows ten.  I am going to wait until the end of
when it is free.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Josh Rivera via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:23 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: first impressions of Win 10

I believe that since we, who own Win-7 or 8, have a year to do the free
upgrade to version 10, then it is prudent to wait for the buggs to get
worked out. I don't even think we should install WE-9.2 until deciding to
install Win-10. This sluggishness of 9.2 is quite disconcerting. Smile




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[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:23 AM
To: 'manny'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: first impressions of Win 10

I totally agree. I'm having to use the shark for now, until that is
resolved.


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Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:36 PM
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Subject: Re: first impressions of Win 10

Hi,
I have a dual boot with windows 10 and windows 7 and I agree that WE9.2 is
sluggish, more so, in windows 10.
Also, if you are too fast, I find that WE9.2 crashes easily.

Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
computer specifications: Window Eyes 8.4, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
premium, with dual boot to windows 8.1, with start8 from:
www.stardock.com with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad core drivers and software
updated software recommended: Firefox, Thunderbird, security:
Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, On
7/29/2015 11:30 AM, Don H via Talk wrote:

Have Windows 10 installed on my HP laptop running a I7 processor with
8 Gigs of RAM.
Am finding WE response lagging in file explorer.  If you use the arrow
keys to go through the list of files and folders using the arrow keys
there is much more lag that there was in Windows 8.1. Anyone else have
this issue?  Is there any settings that can be changed to resolve this
issue?
Thanks
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Re: Win 10 responsiveness

[Chris via Talk]

Hi
It seems stable enough even on my 5 to 6 month old laptop, an Acer 
Aspire E5. It's possibly more so than Windows 8.1. I've not seen one 
sign of a this program has stopped working bla bla bla like I did with 
8.1. By the way the laptop came with 8.1.


On 31/07/2015 17:01, Richard Petty via Talk wrote:

After reading the Windows 10 posts, I would like to ask a question about
becoming an early adopter, something I do not usually do. Because of the
premature death of my Dell 14Z notebook computer (a marginal computer for
all of its short life), I'm about to purchase a Zenbook UX305FA. It comes
with Windows 8.1, a new operating system for me; I'm only familiar with
Windows 7. My options are to learn Windows 8.1, get the Classic shell app,
or upgrade to Windows 10 immediately after I purchase the new computer.

Is it likely Windows 10 is stable enough with WE 9.2 to immediately upgrade
to it, even for those of us who typically don't have the time or inclination
to become involved in the troubleshooting often required when adopting
early?

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 8:01 AM
To: Marten Post Uiterweer; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Win 10 responsiveness

Hi, the podcast can be downloaded from:
http://www.mysticaccesspodcast.com/audio/mp9xplorer2.mp3

Chris

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Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 12:03 AM
To: Don H lmdd...@comcast.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: Win 10 responsiveness

Hi Don,

You can look at Xplorer.  A file explorer replacement.
I am using it all the time with WE9.2 and I like it more than the standard
explorer.
In win7 or 8 it is more responcive, so in win`0 too, I think.
You have to reclass the explorer window in this program to a listview, but
after this, it is accessible.
On the GWmicro site there must be a podcast. I thought that it was done by
Chris G. from AI squared.

You can download it from: www.zabkat.com
The program is not free, but there is a 14 day version orso.

AQnd there is a lite version that is free.

Regards, Marten


On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:57:21 -0500 Don H via Talk
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OK so I have been reporting that Win 10 would not read the list of entries

in the file manager.  Cris at Aisquared sent me a link for a full copy of
9.2 and the WE removal tool.  I used the removal tool to remove WE and
reinstalled a clean copy.  Now WE will at least read the items with the
arrow keys in the file manager but still has a lag of several seconds
between pressing a up or down arrow key and voicing what it should.  Far
from acceptable but better than no speaking of the list items.

Is there a good alternative to file manager?  I think someone mentioned

one in the past.

Thanks
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Re: first impressions of Win 10

[Chris via Talk]

I'm sorry, didn't consider those who may be purchasing a new computer 
preinstalled with Windows 10. I was thinking of those whose machines are 
quite capable of running Windows 10.


On 31/07/2015 18:20, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

So far, I haven't noticed sluggishness in 9.2, but I agree with you
about waiting to get windows ten.  I am going to wait until the end of
when it is free.  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Josh Rivera via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:23 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: first impressions of Win 10

I believe that since we, who own Win-7 or 8, have a year to do the free
upgrade to version 10, then it is prudent to wait for the buggs to get
worked out. I don't even think we should install WE-9.2 until deciding to
install Win-10. This sluggishness of 9.2 is quite disconcerting. Smile




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 12:23 AM
To: 'manny'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: first impressions of Win 10

I totally agree. I'm having to use the shark for now, until that is
resolved.


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Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:36 PM
To: Don H lmdd...@comcast.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: first impressions of Win 10

Hi,
I have a dual boot with windows 10 and windows 7 and I agree that WE9.2 is
sluggish, more so, in windows 10.
Also, if you are too fast, I find that WE9.2 crashes easily.

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computer specifications: Window Eyes 8.4, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
premium, with dual boot to windows 8.1, with start8 from:
www.stardock.com with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad core drivers and software
updated software recommended: Firefox, Thunderbird, security:
Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, On
7/29/2015 11:30 AM, Don H via Talk wrote:

Have Windows 10 installed on my HP laptop running a I7 processor with
8 Gigs of RAM.
Am finding WE response lagging in file explorer.  If you use the arrow
keys to go through the list of files and folders using the arrow keys
there is much more lag that there was in Windows 8.1. Anyone else have
this issue?  Is there any settings that can be changed to resolve this
issue?
Thanks
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Re: first impressions of Win 10

[Chris via Talk]

Thunderbird is working here on Windows 10. Using it now as I write.

On 29/07/2015 22:38, Sue J Ward via Talk wrote:

  I have not upgraded to windows 10 still on windows 7. Was wondering
will Thunderbird work in windows 10? Maybe reinstall the windows enhance
app and in the view section have the list view box checked.

On 7/29/2015 5:30 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:

Have Windows 10 installed on my HP laptop running a I7 processor with
8 Gigs of RAM.
Am finding WE response lagging in file explorer.  If you use the arrow
keys to go through the list of files and folders using the arrow keys
there is much more lag that there was in Windows 8.1. Anyone else have
this issue?  Is there any settings that can be changed to resolve this
issue?
Thanks
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Re: Must you run window-eyes 9.2 with windows ten? Meaning, my friend wants to know if window-eyes 9.1 will work with windows ten.

[Chris via Talk]

I don't believe it will. They will have to upgrade to 9.2 before 
upgrading to Windows 10.


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Re: upgrading to windows 10

[Chris via Talk]

Me personally, I am going to leave this Windows 8.1 64 bit laptop alone 
but will reserve my copy anyway. I hope I can download it as an image 
then use that in a virtual machine.


On 03/06/2015 02:11, Charles Short via Talk wrote:

Should I upgrade to Windows 10, or should I wait and see if it will work
with WE?  I see it in my sys tray, too. .oh what to do, what to do, what to
do.  Should I uninstall my programs or back them up?
Thanks


Best Regards

Charlie Short


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Re: Hulu Accessibility with WE

[Chris via Talk]

It is also accessible unlike the majority of hardware solutions out there.

Regards,

Chris



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Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 12:47 PM
To: Rick Thomas ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Chris
Subject: Re: Hulu Accessibility with WE

Hi, this is a hardware device! Not software! You watch TV shows on this 
device! Thank you.


Warm Regards, Brendon Donohue

On 1 Apr 2015, at 7:33 pm, Rick Thomas via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
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Hi: How does Apple TV work?
I take it it is accessible but is it a hardware box or how do you watch say
a tv show like Vikings or Gotham on it?
If software can you watch on the computer itself?
Finally, is it only for Apple devices?
I had Netflix, watched everything I wanted, then Amazon but got pricy and
have to pay for many shows on top of the base price so am thinking of Hulu
since there are more new shows in a more timely fashon there from what I
have seen googling and talking to my Daughter.
Rick USA

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From: Chris [mailto:blindc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 7:43 PM
To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Hulu Accessibility with WE

Perhaps I am also doing something wrong, but I have found the Hulu site to
be too frustrating to mess with using Window eyes, though I haven't explored

it much with 9.1. But I have an Apple TV in the living room and bedroom, so
I only have to deal with the site for account changes and such. Hulu has
worked great for me with the Apple TV for watching and using Window eyes if
I need to pause my account for a month or something like that. Perhaps
things have improved with 9.1 or someone else on the list has some tips or
tricks for dealing with Hulu on the PC.

Regards,

Chris



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Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 4:42 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Hulu Accessibility with WE

Hi: How accessible is hulu with WE these days?
Amazon is getting expensive with the basic charge plus paying for most
interesting shows on top of it.
A few years ago I used hulu with WE pretty well but just mucked on the site
a little and am wondering if I am doing things wrong, not knowing what I
don't know, or if WE doesn't work well at all with the site anymore.
Any pointers?
Rick USA

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Re: Hulu Accessibility with WE

[Chris via Talk]

Perhaps I am also doing something wrong, but I have found the Hulu site to 
be too frustrating to mess with using Window eyes, though I haven't explored 
it much with 9.1. But I have an Apple TV in the living room and bedroom, so 
I only have to deal with the site for account changes and such. Hulu has 
worked great for me with the Apple TV for watching and using Window eyes if 
I need to pause my account for a month or something like that. Perhaps 
things have improved with 9.1 or someone else on the list has some tips or 
tricks for dealing with Hulu on the PC.


Regards,

Chris



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Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 4:42 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Hulu Accessibility with WE

Hi: How accessible is hulu with WE these days?
Amazon is getting expensive with the basic charge plus paying for most
interesting shows on top of it.
A few years ago I used hulu with WE pretty well but just mucked on the site
a little and am wondering if I am doing things wrong, not knowing what I
don't know, or if WE doesn't work well at all with the site anymore.
Any pointers?
Rick USA

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Re: Windows Live Mail

[Chris via Talk]

I have also been using it since 2011 and considered it very accessible, 
though with a number of quirks and annoyances. The release of 9.1 fixed all 
of the things that bothered me, though since I haven't done a lot of changes 
to settings or other more involved actions beyond basic use, there might be 
some quirks I haven't discovered. but given the improvements made in other 
areas, I think it unlikely that any major issues have popped up since WE 9.1 
came out.


Regards,

Chris



-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 4:02 AM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows Live Mail

I have not know of any accessability problems with windows live mail.  I
have been using it since 2011 through several upgrades of window eyes.  My
only problem was learning it, and dealing with the ribbon.  So, I don't know
how you found it inaccessible.  Pam.

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Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 4:49 PM
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Subject: Windows Live Mail

It has been a while since I tried WLM. and it was not very accessible. Is it
now accessible with Window Eyes 9.1? Thanks
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