RE: jaws and chrome

[Martin Brown via Talk]

Do make sure that you put Chrome into full screen mode when you enter a web
page. You can do that by pressing F11.

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of BK via Talk
Sent: 18 February 2019 14:26
To: gw micro 
Cc: BK 
Subject: jaws and chrome

I am running jaws 2019 with the latest update and sometimes have to use IE
because Jaws won't perform the same actions in chrome. I don't know if the
problem is with jaws or chrome, but that's why it's good to have two or more
browsers. 

Butch
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RE: JAWS question

[Martin Brown via Talk]

Open the email. Then press the Insert key together with the letter 'a'.

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: 10 August 2018 17:01
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Norene Trappa 
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Well, another question.  I received an attachment, and It would be helpful
to know how to open it.  Using jaws is tougher than I expected.  Thanks in
advance!

Norene



-Original Message-
From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Thanks!  That helps me a bunch.  I am using outlook 13.  It's just the
beginning of learning the email so far.  I may be back with more questions.

Norene



-Original Message-
From: geodom--- via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 10:27 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: JAWS question

I send messages with control enter.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 11:15 AM
To: Norene Trappa via Talk
Cc: Jim
Subject: Re: JAWS question

Hi there!

If your  using gMail with an internet client such as I.E or Firefox Etc.
when I am through composing my message I simply press the tab key until I
hear send message or something to that affect.  I generally use Thunderbird
so don't as a rule use the actual gMail program.  Hope this helps..! Good
Luck & Have A Good 1! de

.
On 02-Aug-18 10:57, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:
> Hi,  Wonder if you can help me.  I am using gmail now which is quite 
> simple, but after composing an email, what is the key stroke to send it?
> Gmail reminds me of outlook express.  Maybe someone else on the list 
> knows the answer.  Thanks.
>
> Norene Trappa
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:24 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
> Subject: Re: JAWS question
>
> Unless you change the modifier key to be CapsLock, the so-called JAWS 
> key is the Insert key.
> A few keystrokes to note, among the hundreds that are available:
> Insert-1: have the keys announce their function instead of perform 
> their action.
> Insert-T: Read title bar.
> Insert-B: Read the current active window, like ctrl-shift-W in 
> Window-Eyes.
> Insert-up-arrow: Read current line, like Insert-Center in Window-Eyes.
> Insert-down-arrow: Read to end.
> Insert-Tab: Get information about how you use the current contorl.
> Insert-H: Some help for the currently-running program.
> Insert-J: Open the JAWS control panel.
> Insert-F4: Unload JAWS.
> The numeric pad is not treated differently from the cursor keys and 
> the six-pack that are to the left of it.
> Last spring Raoul Gallegos produced an 8-part podcast series about 
> transitioning from Window-Eyes to JAWS. Someone else can tell you what 
> the current URL is. Copy the files to your NLS talking book player and 
> start interacting with JAWS. It may not all make sense, but eventually 
> you will be productive.
>
>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
> http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> -Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 10:39 PM
> To: cov...@ccs.covici.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: Norene Trappa
> Subject: Re: JAWS question
>
> Hello!
>
> Sounds like you know something about Jaws.  I am very new at Jaws with 
> a question.My booklets talk about the Jaws key but don't tell me what it
is.
> Also, is there a keystroke for reading a document top to bottom? It 
> was necessary for me to give up my dear window-eyes which was the only 
> screen reader I ever used.  I am using windows 10 and Jaws is 17 plus. 
> Quite a challenge.  Thanks in advance.
>
> Norene Trappa
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: John Covici via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 5:41 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: John Covici
> Subject: Re: JAWS question
>
> There is also an export settings menu item under the utilities menu, 
> if memory serves.
>
> On Tue, 22 May 2018 16:10:05 -0400,
> Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> Yes, that is possible.
>>
>> The most effective way is to press win-r for run and type:
>> %appdata%
>> Here you find a folder freedom scientific In this folder you will 
>> find settings about jaws.
>> In the folder there is a Jaws folder and there you will find a folder 
>> with the version number. 2018 or 18, 17 etc. You can simply copy this 
>> folder to the same location on the other computer.
>> I think it is better to use nvda when copying it on the new computer 
>> so jaws will not lock files.
>>
>> Regards, Marten
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:28:08 -0400 Kevin Huber via Talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi:
>> >
>> > My question is, can you move JAWS settings from one computer to
>> another?
>> > Kevin Huber
>> > ___
>> > Any views or opinions presented in this 

RE: Firefox Again

[Martin Brown via Talk]

You should give Waterfox a try. Not sure how well it works with Window-Eyes. It 
is a simple browser that uses the same commands as Firefox. Just type in the 
word Waterfox and you should find the free download easy enough.
Hope this helps.
Martin

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+mbrown.brown4=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: 15 November 2017 09:28
To: WE English Mailinglist 
Cc: David 
Subject: Firefox Again

A couple of weeks ago, we had the new Firefox breaking the accessibility under 
WinEyes. It is well known, from version 56 and up, Firefox will no longer 
operate with WinEyes.


Someone kindly pointed us to the business - or ESR - version of firefox, at the 
time being version 52. I followed their advice, and installed it, greatly 
enjoying to have my Firefox back on stage.


This morning, Firefox notified me there was a security update to my 
installation. In other words, no new version, just a maintenence update. 
Hence, I agreed to have it perform the update.


Yeah, I take it, you have already guessed what. From now on, my Firefox 
says version 52.5, and is no longer doable with WinEyes. It no longer 
goes into the programs Main Window, but says Document Window. Here you 
can tab around, but the arrow keys produces no real effect, and browse 
mode is reported to be:

 Not Available.

Oh, how I hate that message. Smiles.


OK, if anyone have seen different behavior, or have got to a bit of 
knowledge on how to get Firefox back, we are all ears. To me, it seems 
Firefox simply has crept out of all cooperation with our screen reader. 
Little do I hold it realistic it will ever come back.


Some place, I seem to recently have read, that someone from the NVDA 
team had gone to Mozilla. It then is strange that we are facing this 
kind of lack of accessibility. It even states, under Help and About, 
that Firefox is meant to make the web accessible to everyone. I guess, 
that means except from old-timers with their WinEyes. Smiles and LOL.


For some, Chrome might be an alternative. The rest of us, will be back 
to Internet Explorer. Chrome has its benefits, but so far I have had 
issues with it under certain operations.


Following NVDA discussions lately, even that screen reader seem to have 
high issues with the newest firefox releases. It is being claimed, 
things will get better in version 58, but to what extent that will 
affect WinEyes, I am doubtful. And a recent note I read from VFO, on 
Jaws, seemed to indicate that even Jaws users are experiencing trouble 
with Mozilla lately. It was recommended not to use Firefox with Jaws 
2018, if I remember correctly. Currently, I am not on that version of 
Jaws, so cannot confirm. Anyone here has had a chance to test newest 
releases of the screen reader and browser together?


Goodbye to a long-lasting browser, which had numerous and beneficial 
advantages over any other products. Along with the somehow old-fashioned 
way of operating the web with Jaws - which to a degree reminds me of 
where WinEyes was a handful of years ago, the whole Internet browsing 
experience now seem to be a setback. Sure is going to take a bit of 
time, to get back to normal browsing speed.


Sure, they made it secure? Didn't they. So secure you can't even use it. 
That is another kind of safety. Well, seems not even sighted users are 
comfortable with the newest moves from Mozilla. Probably why they tell 
the next release (58) will have some advancements. Does it remind you of 
what happened to things like Windows8, and the fact they had to go back 
on certain of the news, when releasing next versions? So maybe we should 
not wave totally goodbye to Mozilla all yet. I just wish they would have 
a setting somewhere, which would let the browser run the old way, even 
if they make some security adjustments behind the scene.


Just wanted to let you know my findings. If anyone have ideas, I for one 
will be listening.


For your info, I am under Win7 64bit, and the Firefox is reported as 
v52.5ESR 32bit.


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Might be useful for new JAWS users

[Martin Brown via Talk]

I am a long time user of JAWS. A lot could be done to improve its usability.
Sadly, in recent times, the opposite is true. In many instances I find the
JAWS curser as a means of reading a screen just about useless. Instead, I
now invoke the touch curser which I find will get me to information not
available to either the PC curser or the JAWS  curser. To enable the touch
curser, hold down the shift key and press the numpad plus key. You can then
move up and down through the information using the left and right arrow
keys, or if you prefer, by using the numpad keys four and six. To leave the
touch curser mode, simply press the numpad plus key twice quickly.
Hope this helps all you  new JAWS users.
Martin 

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RE: Window-Eyes free edition

[Martin Brown via Talk]

Thanks to all those who have offered suggestions on how my friend could
solve her Window-Eyes Demo problem. Now running in full mode. The problem
would seem to have been her choice of synthesiser, e.g. eloquence.
Martin

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+mbrown.brown4=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:10 PM
To: matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion
List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes free edition

Hi,

1.  Make sure the  person has actually ran one of the following, word, excel
powerpoint and not just installed office.
2.  make sure the person is using Microsoft speech platform, or eSpeak as
the voice.  If they chose eloquence, vocalizer expressive or another premium
synthesizer without paying for them, this will turn it into a demo.

3.  repair Microsoft office from programs and features.  Use the online
repair not the quick one.

One of the above should fix the problem.

Chris
Chris


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of matthew dyer via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 10:08 AM
To: Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes free edition

Is she signed in with her ms account?  If so, I think there is a run
diegnostics tole in the we menus which should fix her problem.  HTH.


Matthew





On 11/20/2016 06:36 AM, Martin Brown via Talk wrote:
> I have a friend who recently installed the Microsoft 365 package on 
> her computer. She has also installed the free version of Window-Eyes 
> which should give her a fully functioning version of the programme. 
> However, it will only run in Demo mode. Is there a way to correct this 
> short of reinstalling.
> Many thanks in advance.
> Martin
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Window-Eyes free edition

[Martin Brown via Talk]

I have a friend who recently installed the Microsoft 365 package on her
computer. She has also installed the free version of Window-Eyes which
should give her a fully functioning version of the programme. However, it
will only run in Demo mode. Is there a way to correct this short of
reinstalling.
Many thanks in advance.
Martin  

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RE: The future of Window-eyes

[Martin Brown via Talk]

Hello Sky.
I have listened to both podcasts, and would not be optimistic about the
survival of Window-Eyes.
I found very little about either podcast to give me even the smallest twinge
of excitement about what will be new in JAWS 18 either. Audio Ducking would
seem to be the revolutionary new idea for which I will be expected to give
eternal thanks for. The software engineers must have lost a lot of sleep in
order to come up with that 21st century break through. Good enough idea and
useful, but come on chaps, not really worth the price of an SMA
 
To be fair, there was also mention of further development in the support of
complex web pages, whatever that means. Oh, and work is to continue on
support for the Edge browser. In recent years, the only thing that I can say
about Freedom Scientific, is that they no longer fail to disappoint me.
Martin

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+mbrown.brown4=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 1:15 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: The future of Window-eyes

Hello Window-Eyes users.  Sky here.  I wanted to update you guys on What's
been happening at VFO Group, Particuarly in regards to Zoomtext, and
Window-eyes. In September, 2 editions of FSCast came out regarding JAWS 18.
One of the features that will be in JAWS 18 will be a talking mouse support.
The guys at VFO group has said that They have plans to put the talking mouse
support in Zoomtext, and make JAWS work with it. This made me laugh, as
first of all, Zoomtext already has Window-eyes in it, called Fusion,
secondly, Zoomtext, from my understanding, already has built in mouse
support already with Fusion. No menschen of Window-eyes or even Fusion.  In
the next FSCast, VFO went into more details on JAWS 18 and Zoomtext. What is
going to happen is that in Zoomtext 11, JAWS and Zoomtext will be working
together. I can honestly tell you that they also plan to put in a talking
mouse support for MAGic, which will be released in 2017. This is not a good
sign, and besides, Zoomtext and JAWS, would cost a lot more to buy, than it
would cost to buy Zoomtext Fusion. At no point in the two FSCasts do they
menschen what's going to happen with Window-eyes.

 

If you guys would like to take a look at the two FSCasts, go to

 

 

http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast131-JAWS_18_part1
.mp3

 

 

 

and

 

 

 

http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast132-JAWS_18_part2
.mp3

 

 

 

I also want to hear what the senior management from AI Squared have to say
on the future.

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RE: Major Problem with Eset

[Martin Brown via Talk]

Don't upgrade to Version 9. It is not accessible with screen readers. The
new security feature, e.g. the added level of security when banking, is not
yet useable with screen readers.
Martin 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+mbrown.brown4=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 2:40 PM
To: JOHN RIEHL ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
; 'Samuel Wilkins' 
Subject: Re: Major Problem with Eset

I'm still using version 8.  From time to time, I get a message from nod32
about updating to version 9.

-Original Message-
From: JOHN RIEHL
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:02 PM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Samuel Wilkins'
Subject: RE: Major Problem with Eset

Version 9 has added the "banking" module. I believe there's a way not to get
it or activate it, but I'm not sure. What I heard on the list a few months
ago is to stick with version 8.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+realman02=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 9:19 AM
To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Major Problem with Eset

The reason I ask, I want to know if nod32 version 9 is accessible as of yet.

I'm still using version 8.  I keep getting messages from nod32 about
updating to version 9.

-Original Message-
From: Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Major Problem with Eset

No, I'm using the latest smart security.


On 28/09/2016 14:28, Russ Kiehne wrote:
> I would be interested in knowing, are you using nod32 version 9?
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Samuel Wilkins via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:23 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Major Problem with Eset
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I am having a major problem with Eset which I can't solve with 
> Window-Eyes.  I am trying to log into my bank, but Eset insists on 
> opening its secure banking payment system, and it is seeing 
> Window-Eyes as a key logger threat.  I don't know how to set 
> Window-Eyes to be in the whitelist, and I can't get into Eset to turn 
> the banking payment system off because Eset is now refusing to interface
with Window-Eyes.
> I managed to open the advanced settings, but Window-Eyes will not 
> respond to any tabbing or use of the arrow keys, so I can't check to 
> make sure the enable use of graphics is turned off.  This is 
> particularly important, as I can't even check the amount in my bank 
> without logging in.  Can anyone help with this?  Thank you.
>
>

--
Regards,

Samuel Wilkins

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RE: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

[Martin Brown via Talk]

Like many others on the list, I am sorry to see Mark go. He is a very
knowledgeable and helpful person. Will he be replaced? I have my doubts.
Rather, it might well be the first move in a decline of further development
of Window-Eyes in the new corporate environment we find ourselves in. Hope
I'm wrong.
Martin  

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[mailto:talk-bounces+mbrown.brown4=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:15 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone?

Hello, who's going to take over the tutorials now that Mark is gone? .would
anybody know?


Charlie Short


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A right pain

[Martin Brown via Talk]

Perhaps someone can advise. When using Internet Explorer on, for example,
Audible, and I wish to get more details on a particular title I press enter
to get the required information. All good so far. However, when I press the
alt key and the left arrow key to return to the previous page I am always
returned to the top of that page and not to the title for which I originally
sought the information. I then must start down arrowing to that point before
I can continue to examine the rest of titles on offer. This loss of position
is the same on whatever site I am exploring. A real pain. I never get this
problem with JAWS or Voiceover. So, it is specific to Window-Eyes. This is
unfortunate because in all other respects it performs well on the web. A
game breaker for me, because always having to find my previous position is
just so tedious and time consuming.
M Brown

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RE: Unable to access folders in Outlook2016

[Martin Brown via Talk]

Hi Yusuf,
Go to the View menu, down arrow to Layout, right arrow to folder pain, press
the space bar and make sure normal is checked. Sometimes Outlook seems to
change this to off.
M Brown


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Subject: Unable to access folders in Outlook2016

Morning everyone, I went into outlook2016 this morning as normal and when I
went to move to a different folder I was unable to. Usually I do shift tab
from the list of emails in my main in-box and then either cursor down to the
folder I want, or press the first letter of the folder to select it, then
press enter to access the emails. When I tried that this morning I couldn't
access the folder list. When I pressed shift tab WE said "current mailbox
closed", I wasn't able to open it with the right cursor key, cursoring down
did nothing, pressing spacebar seemed to open some kind of menu, but I ended
up going round and round in circles not getting anywhere. I'm guessing that
Outlook has done some kind of update without asking me. Can anyone help?

Oh yes I'm running the latest version of WE and I've just looked and the
correct Outlook app and set file are both running.
Cheers
Yusuf

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VFO and Microsoft

[Martin Brown via Talk]

The thing that worries me, is not the possibility that there might be less
choice of screen readers in the future, but that we will still have to
purchase a screen reader at all. If a company like VFO has acquired the two
largest screen readers in the assistive technology market, what does that
say about Microsoft's commitment to finally doing what they should have done
years ago: namely providing a fully functioning screen reader for its
disabled customers. It is highly unlikely that a company like VFO is
spending all that money if there was the slightest rumor that Microsoft was
finally getting itself a social conscience.
For all these years Microsoft has sat on its hands while others have taken
up the challenge of helping blind and visually impaired people find a better
quality of life. Thanks to the hard work of all the folks who have made
Window-Eyes and JAWS the great success they both are, we blind computer
users live fuller and more productive lives. However, I feel the time has
come when it should no longer be necessary for blind users to pay an
additional cost for being able to use the product of a multimillion dollar
company.
I wish all those who use, and participate in the production of adaptive
technology, in these changing and challenging times all the best which ever
way the wind blows. 

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windows 10 and demo mode in we

[Martin Brown via Talk]

Hello list. Hope someone can help.
A few days ago I upgraded from Windows 7 to 10. I had Window-Eyes 9.2
installed. The upgrade went very smoothly, and when the upgrade was complete
I then upgraded my Window-Eyes to the latest version of 9.4. I am running
Microsoft Office 365, and thus have the free version of Window-Eyes. The
problem is, now that I have upgraded to Windows 10 and Window-Eyes 9.4, I
can only run in demonstration mode. Can anyone advise.
Thank you.
Martin 

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Making a backup

[Martin Brown via Talk]

There has been a lot of talk on the list recently about upgrading to Windows
10. Some subscribers advocate, and rightly so, to make a backup of all files
and folders. The process of doing that is relatively easy. However, making a
backup of your entire C drive, which would include all files, folders and
programmes, on that drive is quite another matter using the Windows
operating system. I can achieve this easily using the Mac operating system.
Indeed, I can make a backup on an external drive which, should anything
happen to the internal drive on my Mac, I can boot easily from the external
drive.
Perhaps there is an easy way to do the same thing using the Windows
operating system which is accessible using a screen reader. If there is, I
would love to know how to go about it. Of course, making such a backup would
be useful regardless of upgrading or not.
Unfortunately, Microsoft has a long way to go when it comes to
accessibility. And yes, I fully understand that we are a small community in
the grand scheme of things. Nevertheless, the same thing applies when it
comes to Apple, but they really have done a lot to make their products
accessible to all those with differing needs.
Well done Apple, and shame on Microsoft for doing the bare minimum.
M Brown   

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Google Docs

[Martin Brown via Talk]

Mark, in the most recent webinar, demonstrates Google Docs working extremely
well with Fire Fox. However, I cannot say I am having any such results using
Internet Explorer.Does Window Eyes 9.1 not support Google Docs in Internet
Explorer at this time? 

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