RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
Hi Vaughn. Blindness organisations such as CNIB, rnib, etc had Window-Eyes on their computers but they promoted JAWS above Window-Eyes because JAWS brought them more profit. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:38 PM To: Tom Fairhurst via Talk Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time I do not think Brian would have had anything to do with the demise of Window-eyes. There is no single reason for Window-eyes coming out of the active screen reader market. Contributing factors were: poor sales; Freedom Scientific market dominance; growth in demand for NVDA - probably lots of other reasons as well. I won't be buying Brian's tutorial, but he is very knowledgebable and will have produced this to broadcast standard. Vaughan. On 5/31/2017 2:43 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: > I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate > of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we > don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the > demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I > have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very > helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one > at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits. > > -Original Message- From: CJ MAY via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM > To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The > Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm > Eastern, 7pm UK Time > > I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a > tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can > use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and > effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't > think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money > really worth spending. > > In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they > were always of a high standard. > > There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to > splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to > undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward. > > > > Alison > > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40k c.rr.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vdodd001%40vod afone.co.nz. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
I agree. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:43 PM To: Tom Fairhurst; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time Brian Hartgen had absolutely nothing to do with the fate of Window-Eyes. And his creating tutorials is the business he's been in for years. Regards, Tom On 5/30/2017 10:43 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: > I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate > of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we > don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the > demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I > have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very > helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one > at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits. > > -Original Message- From: CJ MAY via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM > To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The > Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm > Eastern, 7pm UK Time > > I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a > tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can > use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and > effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't > think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money > really worth spending. > > In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they > were always of a high standard. > > There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to > splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to > undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward. > > > > Alison > > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40k c.rr.com. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%4 0charter.net. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
Brian Hartgen had absolutely nothing to do with the fate of Window-Eyes. And his creating tutorials is the business he's been in for years. Regards, Tom On 5/30/2017 10:43 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits. -Original Message- From: CJ MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending. In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were always of a high standard. There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40kc.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
I do not think Brian would have had anything to do with the demise of Window-eyes. There is no single reason for Window-eyes coming out of the active screen reader market. Contributing factors were: poor sales; Freedom Scientific market dominance; growth in demand for NVDA - probably lots of other reasons as well. I won't be buying Brian's tutorial, but he is very knowledgebable and will have produced this to broadcast standard. Vaughan. On 5/31/2017 2:43 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits. -Original Message- From: CJ MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending. In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were always of a high standard. There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40kc.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vdodd001%40vodafone.co.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course, Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time
I agree. I think people areacting because they are mad about the fate of Window-Eyes, not just the cost of the tutorial. Furthermore, we don't have any proof that Mr. Hartgen had anything to do with the demise of Window-Eyes. While I am not familiar with his tutorials, I have purchased others in the past. I admit, some I have found very helpful and others not so much. While I don't intend to purchase one at this time, I think the tutorial should be evaluated on its own merits. -Original Message- From: CJ MAY via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:40 AM To: 'Scott Wheat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Announcement: Brian Hartgen Training Course,Over Easy:The Switch from window-Eyes to JAWS! Being Held Online6/1/17 at 2pm Eastern, 7pm UK Time I really don't understand people's annoyance at having to purchase a tutorial. There is free material already available, which they can use, but why shouldn't someone be recompensed for their time and effort in creating a tutorial. When I purchased my Iphone, I didn't think twice about purchasing Anna Dresner's tutorial and it was money really worth spending. In the past I have used some of Brian Hartgen's tutorials and they were always of a high standard. There is free learning materials available for those who don't want to splash out extra money but they really can't expect people to undertake such a big piece of work and receive no reward. Alison ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40kc.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
