Re: Jaws and copy text question
with acrabat you can use the normal windows copy and paste commands. -Original Message- From: Steve Nutt via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:56 AM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Jaws and copy text question Hi, I'm confused by this message. You can use the shifted arrows for selection in JAWS, but not Window-Eyes. I don't like the Window-Eyes F8 method personally. Not only that the Window-Eyes F8 method is inconsistent. It works in IE, but not in Acrobat for example. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: 25 May 2017 22:12 To: 'David Moore' <jesusloves1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Jaws and copy text question I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome. Only three keystrokes to worry about: F8 to start, F8 to end, Alt-C to copy to Clipboard. For Jaws, Ctrl-Windows-K, then Insert-Space, then M, last, Ctrl-C to finally copy to clipboard. I wonder why Jaws can't keep almost anything simple? Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro om.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Jaws and copy text question
Hi, I'm confused by this message. You can use the shifted arrows for selection in JAWS, but not Window-Eyes. I don't like the Window-Eyes F8 method personally. Not only that the Window-Eyes F8 method is inconsistent. It works in IE, but not in Acrobat for example. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: 25 May 2017 22:12 To: 'David Moore' <jesusloves1...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: RE: Jaws and copy text question I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome. Only three keystrokes to worry about: F8 to start, F8 to end, Alt-C to copy to Clipboard. For Jaws, Ctrl-Windows-K, then Insert-Space, then M, last, Ctrl-C to finally copy to clipboard. I wonder why Jaws can't keep almost anything simple? Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro om.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Jaws and copy text question
As a left handed typest, f8 was one of my favorite new features on WE. Even if one types with two hands, you'll never convince me that the traditional way of copying was easier. On 5/26/2017 11:50 PM, Chris G via Talk wrote: > Original Message > From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:11 PM EST > To: 'David Moore'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: Jaws and copy text question > > I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome. > > Wow, I wish I heard this when the F8 method was first introduced in 9.0. > If I remember right, it was the worst feature ever introduced. (smile) > > Chris Grabowski > Mystic Access > Where the magic is in learning. > https://www.MysticAccess.com > Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while > actualy having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio > tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer > eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter > containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free > downloads, and so much more. > Contact: > Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) > Twitter: MysticAccess > Facebook: mysticaccessempower > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. > > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > . > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Jaws and copy text question
That’s how it often goes with some new things. At least JAWS has a kind of equivalent method that can be employed if you like the f8 method. True, not the same keystrokes, but, it does achieve pretty much the same thing. Just shows how folks can get used to, then embrace something they first aren’t sure about. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris G via Talk Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:50 PM To: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Subject: Re: Jaws and copy text question Original Message From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:11 PM EST To: 'David Moore'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Jaws and copy text question I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome. Wow, I wish I heard this when the F8 method was first introduced in 9.0. If I remember right, it was the worst feature ever introduced. (smile) Chris Grabowski Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. https://www.MysticAccess.com Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while actualy having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free downloads, and so much more. Contact: Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) Twitter: MysticAccess Facebook: mysticaccessempower ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/joseph.norton%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Jaws and copy text question
You would be correct Chris that was all I heard. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:50 PM To: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Subject: Re: Jaws and copy text question Original Message From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:11 PM EST To: 'David Moore'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Jaws and copy text question I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome. Wow, I wish I heard this when the F8 method was first introduced in 9.0. If I remember right, it was the worst feature ever introduced. (smile) Chris Grabowski Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. https://www.MysticAccess.com Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while actualy having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free downloads, and so much more. Contact: Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) Twitter: MysticAccess Facebook: mysticaccessempower ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Jaws and copy text question
Original Message From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:11 PM EST To: 'David Moore'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Jaws and copy text question I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome. Wow, I wish I heard this when the F8 method was first introduced in 9.0. If I remember right, it was the worst feature ever introduced. (smile) Chris Grabowski Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. https://www.MysticAccess.com Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while actualy having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free downloads, and so much more. Contact: Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) Twitter: MysticAccess Facebook: mysticaccessempower ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Jaws and copy text question
just use shift key to copy with jaws. -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 4:24 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Jaws and copy text question Hi, Using Windows 10 and Jaws. I was trying to use the F8 key to select text and copy it from a post on Facebook. I did it as usual but it didn’t paste when I tried to paste it. I tried two different times. Do you have to select text using the copy and paste function and the ctrl, shift arrow to select? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/michaelandjeanie%40aapt.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Jaws and copy text question
Thanks, I thought that was actually a Windows 10 keystroke. Thanks again... -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:31 PM To: Tony C via Talk Subject: Re: Jaws and copy text question The F8 key for starting to select what you want to copy is a Window Eyes command and not a Jaws command. On 5/25/2017 1:24 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote: Hi, Using Windows 10 and Jaws. I was trying to use the F8 key to select text and copy it from a post on Facebook. I did it as usual but it didn’t paste when I tried to paste it. I tried two different times. Do you have to select text using the copy and paste function and the ctrl, shift arrow to select? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lmddh50%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Jaws and copy text question
I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome. Only three keystrokes to worry about: F8 to start, F8 to end, Alt-C to copy to Clipboard. For Jaws, Ctrl-Windows-K, then Insert-Space, then M, last, Ctrl-C to finally copy to clipboard. I wonder why Jaws can't keep almost anything simple? Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Jaws and copy text question
That is correct. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:02 PM To: 'Kevin Huber'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Jaws and copy text question Tony, as far as I know, the F8 copy command is a Window-Eyes thingie; it will not work using Jaws until its developers elect to script it for that! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Jaws and copy text question
Tony, as far as I know, the F8 copy command is a Window-Eyes thingie; it will not work using Jaws until its developers elect to script it for that! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Jaws and copy text question
Hi, Here is what you want to do with JAWS. First, press Windows+CTRL+K to set a temperary place marker. Then, arrow to the end of what you want to select. Then, Press Insert+Space bar, and press the letter M for marker. When you do that, all of the text between the place marker and your mark is selected. Then, just press CTRL+C to copy, then you can paste it anywhere. Take care, David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Don H via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:31 PM To: Tony C via Talk Subject: Re: Jaws and copy text question The F8 key for starting to select what you want to copy is a Window Eyes command and not a Jaws command. On 5/25/2017 1:24 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote: > Hi, Using Windows 10 and Jaws. I was trying to use the F8 key to select text > and copy it from a post on Facebook. I did it as usual but it didn’t paste > when I tried to paste it. I tried two different times. Do you have to select > text using the copy and paste function and the ctrl, shift arrow to select? > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lmddh50%40comcast.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jesusloves1966%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Jaws and copy text question
Maybe this is because I am running Windows 7, but my copy method with Jaws is the same as it used to be in Window-Eyes before we started using the f8 method. For example, I find the beginning of the text I wans and press the shift key. By arrowing down, I copy lines of text at a time. By adding in the control, I can now move down by paragraphs or by page if I use the page down button with the shift key. These are the keystrokes that are still available in NotePad. Carol On 5/25/2017 2:29 PM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote: Hi Tony: F8 marks the beginning of the text to be copied, then arrow down to the end of the text that you want to copy and press control-c. Kevin Huber On 5/25/17, Tony C via Talkwrote: Hi, Using Windows 10 and Jaws. I was trying to use the F8 key to select text and copy it from a post on Facebook. I did it as usual but it didn’t paste when I tried to paste it. I tried two different times. Do you have to select text using the copy and paste function and the ctrl, shift arrow to select? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Jaws and copy text question
Yes, standard windows methods. On 5/25/2017 11:24 AM, Tony C via Talk wrote: Hi, Using Windows 10 and Jaws. I was trying to use the F8 key to select text and copy it from a post on Facebook. I did it as usual but it didn’t paste when I tried to paste it. I tried two different times. Do you have to select text using the copy and paste function and the ctrl, shift arrow to select? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bricemijares%40att.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Jaws and copy text question
Hi Tony: F8 marks the beginning of the text to be copied, then arrow down to the end of the text that you want to copy and press control-c. Kevin Huber On 5/25/17, Tony C via Talkwrote: > Hi, Using Windows 10 and Jaws. I was trying to use the F8 key to select text > and copy it from a post on Facebook. I did it as usual but it didn’t paste > when I tried to paste it. I tried two different times. Do you have to select > text using the copy and paste function and the ctrl, shift arrow to select? > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com